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Old   May 10, 2005, 04:14
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aghiba
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Dear for all, Can anyone (a generous persen) send me his username and password for downloding some articls in the site sciencedirect.com. thanks in advance
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Old   May 10, 2005, 07:49
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It is illegal.

Only a 'foolish person' would even contemplate doing that.
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Old   May 10, 2005, 08:25
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Are you nuts aghiba? Its damned illegal! Only a fool would hand out such detail.
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Old   May 10, 2005, 12:55
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am sorry for your GREAT answers diaw & nutty.

Do you believe in the freedom of science?

If you are a scientist by the name of science you must have an answer saying YES.

Why not to have a sciencedirect.com for free, for charity, for people in all the third world and development countries, for Africa, for south America, for…..FOR BETTER WORLD.

If you are in the first world countries or in a rich country you can have a password with a username BUT if not forget it about it, it is restricted to them-too SAD!

I do strongly believe in developing a www.sciencedirectcharity.com for the forgotten people, say. Am sure lots of scientists would dedicate their papers etc. for those people.
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Old   May 10, 2005, 13:03
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If you are so strongly in favour of this, then perhaps you could do us all a favour and post your username and password for sciencedirect.com on here. Its up to you if you want to break the law or not. Scientific freedom is a matter of personal choice and if you publish in the sciencedirect.com journals, you have made that decision. I would love for all of these papers to be free to everyone (including myself), but they are not and I don't think they ever will be.
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Old   May 10, 2005, 16:13
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Reading newpapers may sometimes be fun...

That's how you find out that the big publishing corporations of this world make most of their profits on scientific journal because (and I quote) "when you've got a winner, every library in the world must have a copy, no matter the cost". You then get into a situation where a subscription for, say, Journal of Computational Physics costs

JPY 615,900 for Japan

EUR 5,897 for European countries

USD 4,672 for all countries except Europe and Japan PER YEAR!!!

http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/jou...on#description

To my knowledge (and trust me, I know!), the author of the paper gets exactly zero dollars from that, as does the reviewer (and they do most of the work).

You may forgive me asking the obvious question: whare has all the money gone???

You may consider this fair, but I do not.
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Old   May 10, 2005, 20:24
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Fair or not, it is the law.

Of course, one can write the author requesting a pre-print. And, sometimes, you'll get it.
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Old   May 11, 2005, 01:40
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1. Law should be made for men, not the other way around. 2. The most people here are from countries with democracy, so lets change the laws.
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Old   May 11, 2005, 06:36
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My guess is that if you were in business & someone was intent on stealing your 'bread & butter', that you would act differently... Licence fees are a Publisher's 'bread & butter'...

Think about it...

diaw...
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Old   May 11, 2005, 07:45
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... but is is up to us how we will deal with this in the future. Are we willing to give all the rights away just for having our names in a journal?

Here are some possible way:

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html

http://levine.sscnet.ucla.edu/genera...tellectual.htm

http://science.creativecommons.org/
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Old   May 11, 2005, 09:07
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Hi everyone,

Thanks for the good links on open publications.

Here is another one, recently created, which may change our approach about sharing information:

scholar.google.com

As efficient as its brother, this "Google" is dedicated to academic papers. It will of course point to articles on "official" websites as Elsevier but, most of the times, authors would have let an equivalent text on their institution server that scholar.google finds as well.

Take a try. You may have good surprises. It only relies on the good willing of people as us to do the small additional work to make a text available for scholar.google (by doing some minor changes to not break the copyright transfer and fairly stay "in the law").

Stop complain ! This time we have the tool and we do have to do this part of our own job if we are in favour of open scientific information !

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Old   May 11, 2005, 09:34
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Google Scholar is fairly good, but it often provides links to online journals where you need a subscription anyway.

Another one I've found useful for obtaining PDF and Postscript files of papers is CiteSeer:

www.ist.psu.edu

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Old   May 11, 2005, 09:35
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Sorry, the correct URL is:

citeseer.ist.psu.edu

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Old   May 11, 2005, 10:15
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I have no problem with looking into a better way of sharing information, than the 'Journal' trap...

I was concerned with the legal implications of divulging username & password over the internet, to a complete stranger, in total violation of the code of conduct of most Academic Institutions & companies...

diaw...
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Old   May 11, 2005, 10:46
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/05...cess_research/

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Old   May 11, 2005, 13:47
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My feeling is not the same. At least in my field.

Of course, scholar.google does an extensive listing but, more and more often, there are drafts freely obtainable corresponding to a paper pointed on an "official" website.

It is the "more and more often" we should strengthen.
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Old   May 11, 2005, 13:53
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Hmm, very interesting.

If possible, could give me the name (and date or issue) of the newspaper where you read that. I shall appreciate to get more details on that.
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Old   May 11, 2005, 14:02
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The Economist newspaper, print edition, Aug 5th 2004

Article: Scientific publishing, Access all areas

http://www.economist.com/displaystor...ory_id=3061258

(the link should be publicly accessible)
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Old   May 12, 2005, 09:02
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Thanks
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