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 ac_ankit November 4, 2011 13:04

Vehicle Aerodynamics

I carried over simulation of air flow over a flat plate for turbulent boundary conditions and found the drag acting on the plate to be 2.1 N(approx.). I wish to extend the problem to the analysis of flow over a car's roof. It is understood that for a car's sunroof (of the same dimensions) the drag acting is 2.1N but can I infer from this that when the sunroof is open the drag force acting on the car increases by 2.1 N ?

 ac_ankit November 4, 2011 13:10

What I mean is that I read from somewhere that Cd of a car increases from 0.32 to 0.41 when sunroof is opened. Calculations with the analytical formulas using these values shows an increment of over 100N in drag force. Really confused??

 swetkyz November 5, 2011 09:47

As far as I know, flat plate drag predictions do not correlate with the drag on a car's roof. The only aspect that may correlate is skin friction drag, which is by no means the whole story. In order to properly estimate the drag of a car, the flow over the entire car and a large surrounding volume must be solved.

If you could provide more detailed information about the problem, I may be able to guide you a little more precisely.

-Zachariah

 ac_ankit November 6, 2011 08:58

The problem is that I wish to find the effects of car's sunroof being open or closed on fuel economy and therefore I tried to find the drag acting on a car with and without sunroof. Is it possible by analysing drag only on sunroof?

 ChunkyPastaSauce November 6, 2011 12:19

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 The problem is that I wish to find the effects of car's sunroof being open or closed on fuel economy and therefore I tried to find the drag acting on a car with and without sunroof. Is it possible by analysing drag only on sunroof?
No it's not. You would have to run a simulation of the whole car (well definitely everything downstream of the sunroof and likely upstream too; might be able to get away with not including bottom of car). Internal cavity as well depending on setup.

 navidvbvb November 6, 2011 12:48

porous wall

I have a question of how can I simulate the cylinder with porous wall and solve fore concentration gradients, and what is the best software for.
I dont know if its the correct place to post this!!

 swetkyz November 7, 2011 09:20

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 Originally Posted by ac_ankit (Post 330926) The problem is that I wish to find the effects of car's sunroof being open or closed on fuel economy and therefore I tried to find the drag acting on a car with and without sunroof. Is it possible by analysing drag only on sunroof?
If you are just looking for trends, you may be able to get away with modeling only the dome portion of the car. This would give you an idea of how sunroof size, geometry, and location affect drag, but I would not trust it for the final answer.

 Anna Tian January 31, 2014 07:46

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 Originally Posted by swetkyz (Post 330828) As far as I know, flat plate drag predictions do not correlate with the drag on a car's roof. The only aspect that may correlate is skin friction drag, which is by no means the whole story. In order to properly estimate the drag of a car, the flow over the entire car and a large surrounding volume must be solved. If you could provide more detailed information about the problem, I may be able to guide you a little more precisely. -Zachariah
Why do we need to model the whole car? Because the variation of flow in the roof will largely change the flow in the rear part?

 Anna Tian February 3, 2014 12:14

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 Originally Posted by Anna Tian (Post 472781) Why do we need to model the whole car? Because the variation of flow in the roof will largely change the flow in the rear part?