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bibelka November 6, 2011 06:09

Modelling of infinite cylinder
 
Hello!

My question may sound stupid, however it is very important to me.
How to model boundaries in z-direction in infinite cylinder, assuming the flow is turbulent?

Sorry, if something is unclear from my description.

cfdnewbie November 6, 2011 18:07

there are no stupid questions :)

Just use periodic bcs in the z-direction, that should do the trick. what kind of turbulence modelling are you doing? LES?

bibelka November 7, 2011 03:47

Thanks!
RANS, actually, however hope that periodic will still work =)

cfdnewbie November 7, 2011 16:20

Yes, in a way, RANS is the only method in which periodic BCs work without any limitations!

Good luck!

bibelka November 8, 2011 02:30

Thank you! =)) And what are the disadvanteges or limitations of using RANS? LES is a good alternative or not?

cfdnewbie November 9, 2011 12:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by bibelka (Post 331135)
Thank you! =)) And what are the disadvanteges or limitations of using RANS? LES is a good alternative or not?


that's a very broad question. Just the basics: RANS assumes that your mean flow is steady, and models the lumped effect (dissipation) of turbulence. Also, RANS works not to well for separated flows and complex geometries.

LES resolves the larger vortices of the flow, and models only parts of it, so it is inherently unsteady, but many times more expensive than RANS....


that's just a quick answer, there are many more aspects to this. What in particular interests you?

swetkyz November 9, 2011 12:33

Meaningful usage of LES is very difficult. Meshes must be much finer, and care must be taken in setting up the simulation.

There is a great deal of good information in the following AIAA paper:
"Large-Eddy Simulation: Current Capabilities, Recommended Practices, and Future Research." Georgiadis, N. J. et. al.

You may want to do the RANS simulation, and if you find that you want to resolve the turbulent structures more explicitly, try LES as a deeper exploration into your problem.

Good luck!

-Zachariah


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