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Hi CFD friends, can any body send me the following paper: ''Dynamic structure models for sugrid scalar flux and dissipation in LES'', AIAA J Vol 42,2004 pp 1132-1138 by Chumakov,S and Rutland C.J

Thankyou

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Good morning!

I'm not picking on you, but this question (with a different paper being requested) appears a lot.

The last time I published, I was 'persuaded' to buy a number of preprints from the journal. The idea is that folks like you who want a copy of the article can write me, requesting a copy, while I will then mail (or e-mail) to you.

So, have you tried to find either of the authors by searching with (for example) Google? An e-mail to one of them requesting the paper will probably get you a copy pretty quickly. And you have opened a correspondence that may allow you to ask questions of them if you need to.

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emailing the auther is good idea, however lot of work is publihsed by students, and these student they give their univ email in corresponce. what happens is most of them do not check that account once they leave the college. so if the paper is old it becomes unlikey that you will be able to get auther to know that you want that paper.

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Usually there will be more than one author. If the first author is a student, the second is most likely his advisor who should be easier to find. It's a good idea to look for authors online, not only to find contact info, but also because more and more people actually let you download some of their papers from a list of publications on their websites.

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The "old" system of disseminating information - the scientist submits a paper to an established journal, it is reviewed by his esteemed peers, the scientist gives up his rights to the paper so that it can be published, and then the scientist can get tenure at his institution because he is a published author - is not very efficient today.

First, the process can take several years with presenting the material at conferences, the reviews, physically getting the paper to the journal (at least they don't retype them and then have the author proof their typos anymore), then publishing. If your office isn't near a major univeristy, that happens to subscribe to the obscure journal you need, you are out of luck. And, I'd rather have papers in electronic format for filing, searching, and reference purposes.

So, I think it is a good thing that people use the internet to share information that previously would not be available to them. The issue about who "owns" the information will probably evolve by necessity.

We should ask ourselves what purpose the printed scientific journal provides. And, should the scientist be beholden to them?

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This is getting of topic, but interesting.

The peer review has never been efficient, if by efficiency you refer to how many papers you can publish in a given period of time. Efficiency is not the point. The point of peer review is to provide a mechanism for scientific "quality control". That's a central part in the way the scientific community functions, and thus far I don't see a valid replacement for it. It's bad enough to hear more and more in the news about scientists faking results and presenting tampered evidence under the pressure of writing a lot (of crap). This can still happen with bad peer review, but without review it would completely go out of hand.

For tenureship or any other purpose, the number of papers you publish is less important than their quality. Besides, if you want to publish a lot you will not wait for publication of a paper before submitting the next one. You will have several papers in line for review and they keep being published in the same frequency as you keep submitting.

I do agree with the comments on copyright, though. Once a paper has been reviewed and published, it would be great to have the copyright stay with the author. However, you need to realize that the review process takes time and money. Journal editors aren't exactly paid for nothing (although the actual peer isn't paid).

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Hi

Send me your ID, if you need the paper.

Vinod Dhiman