1st or 2nd order gradients approach？

fireflies · September 13, 2014, 09:26

hi every one
i have written a 3d unstructured(hybrid) NS solver using a cell-centered finite volume method. three methods of green, unweighted-LSQ and weighted LSQ have implemented to calculate the gradients.after a series of tests on a field which i know analytic solutions of gradients, i found

1）Compare the three methods result with analytic one on regular grid, the relatively error were about 1e-13(machine zero is 1e-14 on my system); and on iregualr grid, the relatively error were about 1e-3 to 1e-5. dose this mean my program works right?

2) on regular grid, all the three methods cannot achieve 2nd order accuracy, the green and unweighted-LSQ achieved 1st order and weighted LSQ was more than 1st; and on iregualr grid the green and unweighted-LSQ cannot achieved 1st order and weighted LSQ was 1st order. i am confused because some people said the three method are 1st order and some said they are 2nd order method, and i want to know dose the gradient accuracy less than 2nd order would have any affect on accuracy of spatial discretization, if i use a linear reconstruction of Barth

duri · September 17, 2014, 15:30

There is nothing called first order gradient and second order gradient. Gradient is always first order term. Accuracy of gradient calculation would affect the solution.

sbaffini · September 18, 2014, 08:07

The gradient accuracy order for an overall second order FV cell-centered code (linear reconstruction) just need to be first. However, it is important that it is first order on any grid. Still, for fully cartesian, uniform, meshes i expect some methods to return a second order accuracy.

How are you handling your boundary conditions? Is it possible that they are not treated consistently for the analytic solution?

September 13, 2014, 09:26	1st or 2nd order gradients approach？	#1
fireflies New Member huang yu Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	hi every one i have written a 3d unstructured(hybrid) NS solver using a cell-centered finite volume method. three methods of green, unweighted-LSQ and weighted LSQ have implemented to calculate the gradients.after a series of tests on a field which i know analytic solutions of gradients, i found 1）Compare the three methods result with analytic one on regular grid, the relatively error were about 1e-13(machine zero is 1e-14 on my system); and on iregualr grid, the relatively error were about 1e-3 to 1e-5. dose this mean my program works right? 2) on regular grid, all the three methods cannot achieve 2nd order accuracy, the green and unweighted-LSQ achieved 1st order and weighted LSQ was more than 1st; and on iregualr grid the green and unweighted-LSQ cannot achieved 1st order and weighted LSQ was 1st order. i am confused because some people said the three method are 1st order and some said they are 2nd order method, and i want to know dose the gradient accuracy less than 2nd order would have any affect on accuracy of spatial discretization, if i use a linear reconstruction of Barth

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September 17, 2014, 15:30		#2
duri Senior Member duri Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 245 Rep Power: 16	There is nothing called first order gradient and second order gradient. Gradient is always first order term. Accuracy of gradient calculation would affect the solution.

September 18, 2014, 08:07		#3
sbaffini Senior Member Paolo Lampitella Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Italy Posts: 2,151 Blog Entries: 29 Rep Power: 39	The gradient accuracy order for an overall second order FV cell-centered code (linear reconstruction) just need to be first. However, it is important that it is first order on any grid. Still, for fully cartesian, uniform, meshes i expect some methods to return a second order accuracy. How are you handling your boundary conditions? Is it possible that they are not treated consistently for the analytic solution?