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bcj March 10, 2012 23:23

CFD vs. reality
 
I am looking into CFD now. What I think is important to know is how CFD simulations compare to real life experiments. It seems that journals and reports compare these things rarely. How do you know that your simulation is made correctly? It may be too big of a question, but are there any books you recommend in this case?

It would be nice to get experimental data from real simulations to compare with the CFD program I am trying to learn. Where can I find such data? Are there any collection of cases like these in any book or other source?

lava12005 March 11, 2012 01:49

You can go to Wiki > Validation Cases. Then work from there.

pete March 11, 2012 04:03

On CFD Online you can start from these two places:

http://www.cfd-online.com/Links/refs.html#validation

http://www.cfd-online.com/Wiki/Valid...and_test_cases

JBeilke March 11, 2012 05:24

What is a "real life experiment"?

You have at least 3 different things:

1) Reality
2) Experiment
3) Simulation

If you have an experiment everybody belives in the results except the person who is doing the experiment. For a CFD calculation nobody belives in the result except the guy who runs the simulation :-)

scipy March 11, 2012 06:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by JBeilke (Post 348760)
If you have an experiment everybody belives in the results except the person who is doing the experiment. For a CFD calculation nobody belives in the result except the guy who runs the simulation :-)

Haha, I see this is a pretty popular one :) They say this at college a LOT. Anyone knows the origin of the saying?

sbaffini March 11, 2012 09:03

Well, if you get into experiments a little bit (after being into CFD) you will surely know the origin of the saying.

FMDenaro March 11, 2012 15:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by sbaffini (Post 348785)
Well, if you get into experiments a little bit (after being into CFD) you will surely know the origin of the saying.

yeah :D
first time I've heard this saying was about 24 years ago ...

bcj March 12, 2012 01:49

How are the results from CFD dealt with professionally? Do you take it for granted that the results are somewhat near reality? Do you compare with different solvers? Do you validate the results somehow?

JBeilke March 12, 2012 03:28

The most important task is to ask the right questions to your experiment/simulation. Make sure you know what you are interested in.

You can compare this with an oracle (... greece mythology , you ask a question, get an answer and a more confused than before). If you ask the false question you get an answer/result but don't know what it means. You just have to be very clever :-)

Read the book "Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman!" serval times very carefully. It tells you most of the stuff you need to become a good scientist.

Your quesion about the solversettings: once you know that the complete setup is suitable and covers all the important physical effect, the right setting for the solver will improve the solution.

sbaffini March 12, 2012 17:22

There is this huge field which is called Verification and Validation (V&V) which is all about the verification and validation of your numerical results. Then we have the Uncertainty Quantification (UQ) field (which is exploding in the last few years) and it is all about quantifying the uncertainty in the results due to your input parameters. Then you go in some experimental Lab and they barely know where they are and what time is it (i'm joking of course but still)


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