Fluent/ANSA negative volume

eishinsnsayshin · April 6, 2012, 13:21

I'm trying to run a Fluent simulation and am having some trouble getting my solution to stop diverging. I created my 3D mesh entirely using ANSA13.2.1 (both surface and volume). When I do a mesh check in ANSA, there are no intersections, the skewness is below 0.8, there are no duplicate nodes, and it finds no negative volumes. I import my .msh file into Fluent 13.0 and there are no errors. When I run my model I get an epsilon divergence about 200 iterations into solving. I know the parameters/boundary conditions are set correctly because I have a very similar model meshed with tetras (instead of hexas as in this model) that I use a journal file to read in the bc's.

The only thing in fluent that hints at the source of the problem is if I do a mesh check. It says "warning: non-positive volumes exist", and lists the minimum volume at about -2.03e-03 (m^3). It also finds about 15 left handed faces. Perhaps I have a problem with my mesh. In ANSA, I can't find any issues though (as I described above). For the left handed faces, I use the orient tool in ANSA to ensure all my normals are pointed in the right direction, so I'm not sure where it's getting left handed faces...Does anyone know if there is a way for fluent to spit out coordinates of problematic areas so I can go look up that region in ANSA? My model is pretty large (60 million cells) so if there was some way to pin point a problematic region, it would be great.

I'd really appreciate any advise!

arjun · April 7, 2012, 06:06

perhaps your model or mesh in not imported properly in fluent and ths is the reason you get handedness problem. Try exporting it is another format from ANSA and importing it into that format in fluent.

Plus, check how ansa reports skew and how fluent dies it, i am guessing ansa reports on skew thinking it is a node based solver and fluent calculates skew thinking it is a cell centered calculation. It means they might be measuring different skews.

April 6, 2012, 13:21	Fluent/ANSA negative volume	#1
eishinsnsayshin Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 48 Rep Power: 14	I'm trying to run a Fluent simulation and am having some trouble getting my solution to stop diverging. I created my 3D mesh entirely using ANSA13.2.1 (both surface and volume). When I do a mesh check in ANSA, there are no intersections, the skewness is below 0.8, there are no duplicate nodes, and it finds no negative volumes. I import my .msh file into Fluent 13.0 and there are no errors. When I run my model I get an epsilon divergence about 200 iterations into solving. I know the parameters/boundary conditions are set correctly because I have a very similar model meshed with tetras (instead of hexas as in this model) that I use a journal file to read in the bc's. The only thing in fluent that hints at the source of the problem is if I do a mesh check. It says "warning: non-positive volumes exist", and lists the minimum volume at about -2.03e-03 (m^3). It also finds about 15 left handed faces. Perhaps I have a problem with my mesh. In ANSA, I can't find any issues though (as I described above). For the left handed faces, I use the orient tool in ANSA to ensure all my normals are pointed in the right direction, so I'm not sure where it's getting left handed faces...Does anyone know if there is a way for fluent to spit out coordinates of problematic areas so I can go look up that region in ANSA? My model is pretty large (60 million cells) so if there was some way to pin point a problematic region, it would be great. I'd really appreciate any advise!

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April 7, 2012, 06:06		#2
arjun Senior Member Arjun Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Nurenberg, Germany Posts: 1,273 Rep Power: 34	perhaps your model or mesh in not imported properly in fluent and ths is the reason you get handedness problem. Try exporting it is another format from ANSA and importing it into that format in fluent. Plus, check how ansa reports skew and how fluent dies it, i am guessing ansa reports on skew thinking it is a node based solver and fluent calculates skew thinking it is a cell centered calculation. It means they might be measuring different skews.