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April 26, 2006, 23:04 
Help for Autoblade Fitting

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Hi,everyone.
Now i'm optimizing a centrifugal compressor whose blade with both leading and trailing blunt edge. When i procees Autoblade_Fitting, the software prompts me that "no intersection between target suction side and a stream surface". I know that there are no commom points at the leading and trailing edge. How can i write the geomturbo file? I want to fit the blade profile with both leading and trailing blunt edge. Who know the geomturbo file format? Any help will be welcome. 

April 26, 2006, 23:14 
Re: Help for Autoblade Fitting

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Now the format of my geomTurbo file is as follows:
GEOMETRY TURBO VERSION 3.7 geometric_tolerance 1e006 blade_expansion_factor_hub 0.03 blade_expansion_factor_shroud 0.03 blade_merging 0 units 1 number_of_blades 11 data_reduction 0 data_reduction_spacing_tolerance 0.0001 data_reduction_angle_tolerance 90 hub ZR 31 0.02 0.02687 ...... shroud ZR 31 0.02 0.10304 ...... suction SECTIONAL 2 # section 1 XYZ 23 0.0273 0.01244 0 ...... # section 2 XYZ 23 0.09234 0.04563 0 ...... pressure SECTIONAL 2 # section 1 XYZ 23 0.02628 0.01448 0 ...... # section 2 XYZ 23 0.09157 0.04715 0 ...... 

August 18, 2006, 02:43 
Re: Help for Autoblade Fitting

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AutoBlade works with the intersection of the 3D blade surface with the surfaces of revolution defined by the flow paths (stream surfaces). The warning you have indicates that for one or several of the flow paths you do not have an intersection. Extending the 3D blade definition or redefining the flow paths can solve this.


June 13, 2012, 08:07 
problem

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i have this problem with autoblade too, can you solve it? if you find the problem please help me immidiatly?


June 14, 2012, 02:32 

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you need to increase the following parameters in your ".geomturbo" file until the airfoil fully intersects with hub and shroud curves:
blade_expansion_factor_hub blade_expansion_factor_shroud current values seem to be 0.03. Try bigger values. Regards 

June 14, 2012, 02:51 

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thank you hamid for your answer
but I dont found exactly what i do increase my flow path? or increase my section in geom turbo? 

June 15, 2012, 09:40 

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Dear Majid;
you can increase the span of blades manually through the ".geomturo" file. if you pay a look at the geomturbo file presented by Stewart, both "blade_expansion_factor_hub" and "blade_expansion_factor_shroud" parameters are set to 0.03. it means that the generated blade should extend from both sides to 0.03m. So, you can easily change these parameters until they intersect with hub and shroud curves. another way to do this is to extend the blade height directly from Autogrid. depending on your Autogrid version (i.e. 4 or 5) the method is slightly different. Last edited by Hamidzoka; June 15, 2012 at 10:23. 

June 26, 2012, 01:55 

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Dear hamid
I do it but I have this problem too, Do you have another suggestion؟ best regard 

June 26, 2012, 02:10 

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My error is:
''No intersection between target suction side and a stream surface.'' computation of the intersection between the target blade and the stream surfaces of the parametric geometry. 

June 26, 2012, 05:16 

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try "exchange suction and pressure" prior fitting process.


June 26, 2012, 08:01 

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I try but i have problem too
Dear hamid, what file can be set in import target geometry file? the geomturbo file? 

June 26, 2012, 22:50 

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Yes, the tagret file is the "geomturbo" file. would you send me your file?


June 27, 2012, 03:12 

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ok
can you give me youre email? 

June 28, 2012, 04:20 

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July 1, 2012, 00:13 

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Majid;
You need to study Numeca manuals carefully! I 've reviewed your ".geomturbo" file and following tips come to my mind: you have assigned suction curves to pressure side and vice versa. you should fix it. simply change the suction curves with the pressure ones. when you work with Numeca you had better to use SI units. your dimensions(i.e. XYZ and ZR points) are all in mm and this causes problem. if you simply set the scaling factor in Autoblade fitting medium to 0.001 the so called error disapears. you had better to set "data reduction" to 1. but you may still see this error: "initialization failed" or something like that. to solve this problem I suggest you the following tip: before parametrizing your geometry in Autoblade fitting (Design 3D), you need to check if parametrization settings fitts to your blade. for example number of suction and pressure Bsplines control points and their stretching factor should be properly selected. Also the LE and TE parameters (Round or Blunt) and... . if not, you will have a blade with intersecting suction and pressure sides that is clearly useless. this needs try and error and more substantial works! One more question: What is the name of your professor? Regards 

July 7, 2012, 08:01 

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Thanks dear hamid
I try to solve it Dr derakhshan Quote:


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