
[Sponsors] 
March 27, 2014, 11:50 
Modify turbulence kEpsilon for incompressible multiphase

#1 
New Member
Francisco FELIS
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Montpellier, France
Posts: 6
Rep Power: 4 
Hello to everyone.
I'm trying to build a modify version of the incompressible kEpsilon turbulence introducing a variable density formulation for the transport equations to describe a two phase mean flow (air+water). I'am using the twoLiquidMixingFoam as a base and I have created my personalized kepsilon model from the incompressible part. My idea is to change the ddt(k) with ddt(rho, k) and add other source terms also as a function of "rho". I'm rather new to this, but until now every problem that I have encountered I have managed to solve it by reading, reading and reading... until now: I couldn't find a way to inherit the volScalarField rho and surfaceScalarField rhoPhi to the kEpsilon class. Is there any efficient way to do that? Here is what I want: To go from this: Code:
fvm::ddt(k_) + fvm::div(phi_, k_)  fvm::laplacian(DkEff(), k_) == G  fvm::Sp(epsilon_/k_, k_) Code:
fvm::ddt(rho_, k_) + fvm::div(rhoPhi_, k_)  fvm::laplacian(rho_*DkEff(), k_) == rho*G  fvm::Sp(rho*epsilon_/k_, k_) I would really appreciate your help!  Francisco 

March 31, 2014, 12:02 

#2 
Senior Member
Kyle Mooney
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Amherst, MA USA  San Diego, CA USA
Posts: 320
Rep Power: 10 
Hi Francisco,
A few things: 1. When you mention inheriting a field, what you probably want to do is use a object registry lookup. Its an extremely powerful and easy thing that makes OpenFOAM super cool. If you wanted to pull in the density field, as long as its declared as a regIOobject, you can do this: Code:
volScalarField& rho = mesh().lookupObject<volScalarField>("rho") 2. Compressible turbulence models already assume a non uniform density so that might be a better place to start then the incompressible turbulence classes. 3. This whole conversation might be moot because foam 2.3 has a multiphase kEp model . http://www.openfoam.org/version2.3.0/multiphase.php Cheers! Kyle 

April 1, 2014, 06:10 

#3 
New Member
Francisco FELIS
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Montpellier, France
Posts: 6
Rep Power: 4 
Hello Kyle,
Thanks for your answer. Effectively I looked also into the incompressible side of the Turbulence model constructor, however, It seemed more simple to add "rho" than modify the thermophysical part to work along the Multiphase transport one. I've started also to look into the 2.3 version and the new universal turbulence models for multiphase, however I don't feel myself so "strong" in OpenFOAM for using it yet... For now, I've tried the Mesh lookup method that you mentioned and it didn't work. Here is the output: Code:
rhokEpsilon.C:144:33: error: ‘mesh’ was not declared in this scope volScalarField& rho_ = mesh().lookupObject<volScalarField>("rho"); Code:
k_ ( IOobject ( "k", runTime_.timeName(), mesh_, IOobject::NO_READ, IOobject::AUTO_WRITE ), autoCreateK("k", mesh_) ), Code:
rhokEpsilon::rhokEpsilon ( const volVectorField& U, // hoping to add rho somewhere here const surfaceScalarField& phi, transportModel& transport, const word& turbulenceModelName, const word& modelName ) : RASModel(modelName, U, phi, transport, turbulenceModelName), So, to my understanding, it seems a little more complicated... Do you have any other inside on a way to call rho into the KEpsilon class ? Many thanks in advance. Francisco 

April 1, 2014, 07:07 

#4 
Senior Member
Alexey Matveichev
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Nancy, France
Posts: 1,419
Rep Power: 25 
Hi,
as kEpsilon is a child of RASModel class, which in turn is a child of trubulenceModel class it has mesh_ property. So your call should be Code:
const volScalarField& rho = mesh_.lookupObject<volScalarField>("rho"); Code:
const volScalarField& rho = U_.mesh().lookupObject<volScalarField>("rho"); 

April 1, 2014, 10:36 

#5 
New Member
Francisco FELIS
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Montpellier, France
Posts: 6
Rep Power: 4 
Hello Alexey,
Thanks, it works like a charm! So, finally, what I've done was to change the transport model for k and epsilon to a variable density formulation, which I think is more real when the difference between rho1 and rho2 is important. Here is the final code: 1) change in the production term of k: Do you think that this form of the variable density boussinesq is good? (rho is added at the end into the equations) Code:
volScalarField G ( GName(), (((2.0/3.0)*I)*k_  2.0*nut_*(symm(fvc::grad(U_))(1.0/3.0)*I*(fvc::div(U_)))) && fvc::grad(U_) ); Code:
const volScalarField& rho_ = mesh_.lookupObject<volScalarField>("rho"); const surfaceScalarField& rhoPhi_ = mesh_.lookupObject<surfaceScalarField>("rhoPhi"); Code:
// Dissipation equation tmp<fvScalarMatrix> epsEqn ( fvm::ddt(rho_, epsilon_) + fvm::div(rhoPhi_, epsilon_)  fvm::laplacian(rho_*DepsilonEff(), epsilon_) == C1_*rho_*G*epsilon_/k_  fvm::Sp(C2_*rho_*epsilon_/k_, epsilon_) ); // Turbulent kinetic energy equation tmp<fvScalarMatrix> kEqn ( fvm::ddt(rho_, k_) + fvm::div(rhoPhi_, k_)  fvm::laplacian(rho_*DkEff(), k_) == rho_*G  fvm::Sp(rho_*epsilon_/k_, k_) ); Many thanks to everyone.  Francisco 

November 23, 2015, 04:41 

#6  
Member
Fei Fan
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: NanJing, China
Posts: 52
Rep Power: 5 
Quote:
I add the const volScalarField& rho_ = mesh_.lookupObject<volScalarField>("rho"); the process suggest that mesh_ is not defined, while i try to use const volScalarField& rho_ = U.mesh().lookupObject<volScalarField>("rho"); I was tell the U is not defined. what's the matter with it? Best regards Fan Fei 

November 23, 2015, 05:10 

#7 
New Member
Francisco FELIS
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Montpellier, France
Posts: 6
Rep Power: 4 
Hello Fan Fei,
My solver works with binary mixture, so it is a variable density solver for incompressible flows, hence the "rho" (of the mixture). If you have a volScalarField "rho" somewhere in your case, it should be able to find it. Best regards, Francisco 

November 23, 2015, 05:18 

#8  
Member
Fei Fan
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: NanJing, China
Posts: 52
Rep Power: 5 
Quote:
Thanks for you reply me so quick. I add the rho to incompressible Ke model with the the above method, when i compile, it always suggested me that, the mesh_ is not defined in this cope. Best regards Fan Fei 

November 23, 2015, 21:46 

#9  
Member
Fei Fan
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: NanJing, China
Posts: 52
Rep Power: 5 
Quote:
It's work now, yesterday i Put the on the wrong place, so it's always hint me the mesh_ is not define. Thanks. Best Redrads Fan Fei 

December 4, 2015, 06:34 
turbulence model implement

#10 
New Member
Aloha
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 6
Rep Power: 3 
Hi,Francisco
I tried to modify the k&epsilon equation exactly the same as you posted at #5.But i got a worse result compared to the simulation without implement.So i was wondering if you got the desired result after the implement. Thank you in advance. Aloha 

December 4, 2015, 11:53 

#11 
New Member
Francisco FELIS
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Montpellier, France
Posts: 6
Rep Power: 4 
Hi Aloha,
I havn't yet arrived to a proper conclusion. I use this formulation only to be consistent with the FavreAveraged RANS equations of my problem (turbulence in binary mixture). Maybe next year... I hope. Best Regards Francisco 

December 5, 2015, 06:53 
Thank you

#12 
New Member
Aloha
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 6
Rep Power: 3 
Hi,francisco
Thanks all the same Best wishes 

August 16, 2016, 22:52 

#13  
Member
Fei Fan
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: NanJing, China
Posts: 52
Rep Power: 5 
Quote:
Have you found the reseaons of your worse result. Nowadays, I am building a new template for multiphase turbulence model base on incompressible turbulence model and compressible turbulence model .Did you try to add the 'rho' Item from the laminar to RAS model. It looks like the wall funtion filed also need to add the the "rho" item. Best regards Fanfeisohu 

August 30, 2016, 02:49 

#14  
New Member
Francisco FELIS
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Montpellier, France
Posts: 6
Rep Power: 4 
Hello,
Currently I'm using the same but in the RSM model. I couldn't say that the results are worst, but rather different, mostly because of the large density ratio of the mixture in my problem, so the results changes a lot by adding the variable density effects to the turbulence modelling. Nevertheless, compared to LDA measurements, it works pretty well. I've done so by using the old of2.2. I know that with the new generic turbulence template one shouldn't do it like I did... but I'm almost at the end of my thesis now, I won't change everything at the end... Best regards. Quote:


Tags 
kepsilon, multiphase flow, turbulence models 
Thread Tools  
Display Modes  


Similar Threads  
Thread  Thread Starter  Forum  Replies  Last Post 
multiphase turbulence  nikhil r  Main CFD Forum  0  October 5, 2013 01:36 
Discussion: Reason of Turbulence!!  Wen Long  Main CFD Forum  3  May 15, 2009 09:52 
Turbulence boundary values  lego  Main CFD Forum  0  October 24, 2002 13:47 
Is turbulence disripable by chaos?  Matthias  Main CFD Forum  9  March 27, 2001 13:04 
turbulence modeling questions  llowen  Main CFD Forum  3  September 11, 1998 04:24 