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 Industrial_CFD January 27, 2013 17:25

pisoFoam - unstable pressure residual

I am looking to get some help figuring out why my pressure residual keeps rising. I am conducting an LES simulation; the mesh is pretty good quality (pure hexahedral), and mesh and boundary conditions are stable in FLUENT. But I need to implement this in OpenFOAM. Could someone take a look at my dictionaries and see if I am missing something? BTW I solved a steady-state using simpleFoam, which was fine, converged nicely.

I keep the Co number less than 0,5; even going as low as 0.05, but to no avail.

U
"/*--------------------------------*- C++ -*----------------------------------*\
| ========= | |
| \\ / F ield | OpenFOAM: The Open Source CFD Toolbox |
| \\ / O peration | Version: 1.7.1 |
| \\ / A nd | Web: www.OpenFOAM.com |
| \\/ M anipulation | |
\*---------------------------------------------------------------------------*/
FoamFile
{
version 2.0;
format ascii;
class volVectorField;
object U;
}
// * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * //

dimensions [0 1 -1 0 0 0 0];

internalField uniform (0 0 0);

boundaryField
{
INLET
{
type fixedValue;
value uniform (0.32 0 0);
}

OUTLET
{
type inletOutlet;
inletValue uniform (0 0 0);
value uniform (0 0 0);
}

WALLS
{
type fixedValue;
value uniform (0 0 0);
}

LEAFLETSURFACE1
{
type fixedValue;
value uniform (0 0 0);
}

LEAFLETSURFACE2
{
type fixedValue;
value uniform (0 0 0);
}

BACKWALL
{
type fixedValue;
value uniform (0 0 0);
}
}
"
p

"/*--------------------------------*- C++ -*----------------------------------*\
| ========= | |
| \\ / F ield | OpenFOAM: The Open Source CFD Toolbox |
| \\ / O peration | Version: 1.7.1 |
| \\ / A nd | Web: www.OpenFOAM.com |
| \\/ M anipulation | |
\*---------------------------------------------------------------------------*/
FoamFile
{
version 2.0;
format ascii;
class volScalarField;
object p;
}
// * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * //

dimensions [0 2 -2 0 0 0 0];

internalField uniform 0;

boundaryField
{
INLET
{
}

OUTLET
{
type fixedValue;
value uniform 0;
}

WALLS
{
}

BACKWALL
{
}

LEAFLETSURFACE1
{
}

LEAFLETSURFACE2
{

}
}"

Really appreciate the help everyone.

Cheers

 Industrial_CFD January 27, 2013 17:30

Update

Scheme, solution and control dictionaries

Schemes
"
solvers
{
p
{
solver GAMG;
preconditioner DIC;
agglomerator faceAreaPair;
tolerance 1e-05;
relTol 0;
nCellsInCoarsestLevel 25;
mergeLevels 1;
smoother GaussSeidel;
nPreSweeps 0;
nPostSweeps 2;
nFinestSweeps 2;
//maxIter 10;

}

pFinal
{
solver GAMG;
preconditioner DIC;
agglomerator faceAreaPair;
tolerance 1e-05;
relTol 0;
nCellsInCoarsestLevel 25;
mergeLevels 1;
smoother GaussSeidel;
nPreSweeps 0;
nPostSweeps 2;
nFinestSweeps 2;
//maxIter 10;
}

U
{
solver PBiCG;
preconditioner DILU;
tolerance 1e-05;
relTol 0;
}

k
{
solver PBiCG;
preconditioner DILU;
tolerance 1e-05;
relTol 0;
}

B
{
solver PBiCG;
preconditioner DILU;
tolerance 1e-05;
relTol 0;
}

nuTilda
{
solver PBiCG;
preconditioner DILU;
tolerance 1e-05;
relTol 0;
}
}

PISO
{
nCorrectors 2;
nNonOrthogonalCorrectors 10;
}

relaxationFactors
{
fields
{
p 0.3;
}
equations
{
U 0.7;
k 0.7;
B 0.7;
nuTilda 0.7;
}
}"

Solution

"
ddtSchemes
{
default backward;
}

{
default Gauss linear;
}

divSchemes
{
default none;
div(phi,U) Gauss linear;
div(phi,k) Gauss linear;
div(phi,B) Gauss linear;
div(phi,nuTilda) Gauss linear;
div(B) Gauss linear;
}

laplacianSchemes
{
default none;
laplacian(nuEff,U) Gauss linear corrected;
laplacian((1|A(U)),p) Gauss linear corrected;
laplacian(DkEff,k) Gauss linear corrected;
laplacian(DBEff,B) Gauss linear corrected;
laplacian(DnuTildaEff,nuTilda) Gauss linear corrected;
}

interpolationSchemes
{
default linear;

}

{
default corrected;
}

fluxRequired
{
default no;
p ;
}
"

Control
"application pisoFoam;

startFrom startTime;

startTime 0;

stopAt endTime;

endTime 1.8e-03;

deltaT 5e-06;

writeControl timeStep;

writeInterval 100;

purgeWrite 1;

writeFormat ascii;

writePrecision 6;

writeCompression uncompressed;

timeFormat general;

timePrecision 6;

runTimeModifiable yes;
"

 msuaeronautics January 27, 2013 21:24

I strongly suggest two things you should try, the most important one first and the latter one you don't have to but should.

First, change your div(phi,U) scheme to linear upwind. The syntax for this is below (this is in OpenFoam 2.0.0)

Quote:
Secondly, I see you attempted to cap the number of p and pFinal iterations to 10. This actually might be very helpful, but increase the number to something around 100.

I have run a few submarine simulations using pisoFoam and LES. Both these things helped, but the scheme change helped the most by far.

Can you also post a few iterations from your output file?

 Industrial_CFD January 28, 2013 17:24

Update

I have implemented that scheme. I will update you and let you know how it goes. DO you think upwinding this term will cause too much numerical dissipation?

 immortality January 28, 2013 18:11

dear msuaeronautics could you have a look to my schemes how to change to have a better schemes?
thanks a lot for your consideration.
fvSchemes:

Code:

```ddtSchemes {     default        CrankNicholson 0.5; } gradSchemes {     default        Gauss linear;     grad(p)        Gauss linear;     grad(U)        faceLimited leastSquares 1.0; } divSchemes {     default        none;     div(phi,U)      Gauss linearUpwind grad(U);     div(phid,p)    Gauss limitedLinear 1;     div(phi,K)      Gauss upwind;     div(phi,h)      Gauss limitedLinear 1;     div(phi,k)      Gauss limitedLinear 1;     div(phi,epsilon) Gauss limitedLinear 1;     div(phi,R)      Gauss limitedLinear 1;     div(phi,omega)  Gauss limitedLinear 1;     div((rho*R))    Gauss upwind;     div(R)          Gauss upwind;     div(U)          Gauss upwind;     div((muEff*dev2(T(grad(U))))) Gauss linear;     div(tauMC)  Gauss linear; } laplacianSchemes {     default        none;     laplacian(muEff,U) Gauss linear uncorrected;     laplacian(mut,U) Gauss linear uncorrected;     laplacian(DkEff,k) Gauss linear uncorrected;     laplacian(DepsilonEff,epsilon) Gauss linear uncorrected;     laplacian(DREff,R) Gauss linear uncorrected;     laplacian(DomegaEff,omega) Gauss linear uncorrected;     laplacian((rho*(1|A(U))),p) Gauss linear uncorrected;     laplacian(alphaEff,h) Gauss linear uncorrected;     laplacian(k,T)  Gauss linear uncorrected;      laplacian(alpha,e) Gauss linear uncorrected;     laplacian(alphaEff,e)  Gauss linear uncorrected; } interpolationSchemes {     default        linear; } snGradSchemes {     default        uncorrected; } fluxRequired {     default        no;     p              ; }```
fvSolution:

Code:

```solvers {     p     {       /*solver PCG;       preconditioner DIC;       tolerance  1e-12;       relTol 0;*/     solver          GAMG;         smoother  DICGaussSeidel;         cacheAgglomeration true;         nCellsInCoarsestLevel 500;         nPreSweeps      0;         nPostSweeps    2;         nFinestSweeps  2;         agglomerator  faceAreaPair;         mergeLevels 2;         tolerance      1e-012;         relTol          0;     }     pFinal     {         \$p;         relTol          0;     }     "rho.*"     {         \$p;         tolerance      1e-11;         relTol          0;     }     "(U|e|h|R|k|epsilon|omega)"     {         solver          PBiCG;         preconditioner  DILU;         tolerance      1e-11;         relTol          0;         maxIter 25000;     }     "(U|h|R|k|epsilon|omega)Final"     {         \$U;         relTol          0;     } } PIMPLE {     momentumPredictor yes;     nOuterCorrectors 3;     nCorrectors    3;     nNonOrthogonalCorrectors 0;     rhoMin          rhoMin [ 1 -3 0 0 0 ] 0.2;     rhoMax          rhoMax [ 1 -3 0 0 0 ] 9; residualControl     {         "(U|k|omega)"         {             relTol          0;             tolerance      0.000000001;         }     } }```
thanks again.

 Industrial_CFD January 28, 2013 18:29

Update

HI msu,

I tried implementing the new scheme as you suggested; however it looks like the solution is still unstable. I was flirting with Co = 0,5, so I am going to lower the timestep by an order of magnitude to see if that helps at all. I have a feeling it is my boundary conditions. I am use to (spoiled) CFX/FLUENT, so the software basically ensures the proper BCs are selected based on the simulation type. Would you mind looking over my text files? I feel I am close, since the mesh and case works in FLUENT.

 Industrial_CFD January 28, 2013 18:31

Update

BTW,

Here is my log file printout:

/*---------------------------------------------------------------------------*\
| ========= | |
| \\ / F ield | OpenFOAM: The Open Source CFD Toolbox |
| \\ / O peration | Version: 2.1.0 |
| \\ / A nd | Web: www.OpenFOAM.org |
| \\/ M anipulation | |
\*---------------------------------------------------------------------------*/
Build : 2.1.0-0bc225064152
Exec : pisoFoam -parallel
Date : Jan 28 2013
Time : 16:54:10
PID : 5905
nProcs : 3
Slaves :
2
(
)

Pstream initialized with:
floatTransfer : 0
nProcsSimpleSum : 0
commsType : nonBlocking
sigFpe : Enabling floating point exception trapping (FOAM_SIGFPE).
fileModificationChecking : Monitoring run-time modified files using timeStampMaster
allowSystemOperations : Disallowing user-supplied system call operations

// * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * //
Create time

Create mesh for time = 0

Selecting incompressible transport model Newtonian
Selecting turbulence model type LESModel
Selecting LES turbulence model Smagorinsky
SmagorinskyCoeffs
{
filter simple;
ce 1.048;
ck 0.094;
}

Starting time loop

Time = 5e-06

Courant Number mean: 3.91885e-06 max: 0.000809022
DILUPBiCG: Solving for Ux, Initial residual = 1, Final residual = 2.9278e-07, No Iterations 1
DILUPBiCG: Solving for Uy, Initial residual = 1, Final residual = 5.79668e-07, No Iterations 1
DILUPBiCG: Solving for Uz, Initial residual = 1, Final residual = 8.0736e-07, No Iterations 1
GAMG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 1, Final residual = 9.84125e-06, No Iterations 316
GAMG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 0.0239126, Final residual = 9.44877e-06, No Iterations 57
GAMG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 0.00573113, Final residual = 9.31698e-06, No Iterations 57
time step continuity errors : sum local = 2.6016e-08, global = -5.32965e-09, cumulative = -5.32965e-09
GAMG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 0.0029541, Final residual = 9.352e-06, No Iterations 37
GAMG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 0.00176045, Final residual = 9.55465e-06, No Iterations 28
GAMG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 0.00113938, Final residual = 9.88603e-06, No Iterations 18
time step continuity errors : sum local = 2.78767e-08, global = 8.83835e-09, cumulative = 3.5087e-09
ExecutionTime = 330.97 s ClockTime = 334 s

Time = 1e-05

Courant Number mean: 0.00247512 max: 0.379089
DILUPBiCG: Solving for Ux, Initial residual = 0.896973, Final residual = 8.07473e-09, No Iterations 2
DILUPBiCG: Solving for Uy, Initial residual = 0.329405, Final residual = 1.83947e-09, No Iterations 2
DILUPBiCG: Solving for Uz, Initial residual = 0.338451, Final residual = 9.96146e-06, No Iterations 1
GAMG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 0.0160771, Final residual = 9.34229e-06, No Iterations 170
GAMG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 0.175421, Final residual = 9.36675e-06, No Iterations 92
GAMG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 0.0523747, Final residual = 9.49166e-06, No Iterations 95
time step continuity errors : sum local = 3.07509e-09, global = 6.03653e-10, cumulative = 4.11235e-09
GAMG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 0.0273851, Final residual = 9.48644e-06, No Iterations 69
GAMG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 0.0177397, Final residual = 9.47844e-06, No Iterations 56
GAMG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 0.0119949, Final residual = 9.37767e-06, No Iterations 38
time step continuity errors : sum local = 3.12546e-09, global = 7.41131e-10, cumulative = 4.85348e-09
ExecutionTime = 671.41 s ClockTime = 679 s

Time = 1.5e-05

Courant Number mean: 0.00258897 max: 0.419215
DILUPBiCG: Solving for Ux, Initial residual = 0.344173, Final residual = 3.81834e-06, No Iterations 1
DILUPBiCG: Solving for Uy, Initial residual = 0.0599225, Final residual = 1.77624e-06, No Iterations 1
DILUPBiCG: Solving for Uz, Initial residual = 0.0811998, Final residual = 1.93254e-06, No Iterations 1
GAMG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 0.0984746, Final residual = 9.80077e-06, No Iterations 178
GAMG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 0.0589744, Final residual = 9.95854e-06, No Iterations 51
GAMG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 0.0229215, Final residual = 9.65347e-06, No Iterations 49
time step continuity errors : sum local = 2.05256e-09, global = -3.96244e-10, cumulative = 4.45724e-09
GAMG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 0.0191667, Final residual = 8.85689e-06, No Iterations 39
GAMG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 0.0177382, Final residual = 8.33729e-06, No Iterations 21
GAMG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 0.0175461, Final residual = 9.41587e-06, No Iterations 16
time step continuity errors : sum local = 2.01745e-09, global = -3.88969e-10, cumulative = 4.06827e-09
ExecutionTime = 905.06 s ClockTime = 914 s

Time = 2e-05

Courant Number mean: 0.00263949 max: 0.437453
DILUPBiCG: Solving for Ux, Initial residual = 0.269823, Final residual = 3.86531e-06, No Iterations 1
DILUPBiCG: Solving for Uy, Initial residual = 0.0335224, Final residual = 2.23216e-06, No Iterations 1
DILUPBiCG: Solving for Uz, Initial residual = 0.0426193, Final residual = 1.84547e-06, No Iterations 1
GAMG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 0.0671635, Final residual = 9.89268e-06, No Iterations 132
GAMG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 0.0822601, Final residual = 9.68393e-06, No Iterations 36
GAMG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 0.068387, Final residual = 8.89289e-06, No Iterations 38
time step continuity errors : sum local = 9.64269e-10, global = 1.54725e-10, cumulative = 4.22299e-09
GAMG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 0.0716998, Final residual = 9.40588e-06, No Iterations 22
GAMG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 0.0748368, Final residual = 9.0256e-06, No Iterations 26
GAMG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 0.0783009, Final residual = 9.37482e-06, No Iterations 40
time step continuity errors : sum local = 1.02744e-09, global = -3.10414e-10, cumulative = 3.91258e-09
ExecutionTime = 1103.4 s ClockTime = 1114 s

Time = 2.5e-05

Courant Number mean: 0.00264223 max: 0.439232
DILUPBiCG: Solving for Ux, Initial residual = 0.123124, Final residual = 4.64148e-08, No Iterations 2
DILUPBiCG: Solving for Uy, Initial residual = 0.0245945, Final residual = 5.50988e-06, No Iterations 1
DILUPBiCG: Solving for Uz, Initial residual = 0.029589, Final residual = 4.42106e-06, No Iterations 1
GAMG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 0.179635, Final residual = 9.81425e-06, No Iterations 144
GAMG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 0.243531, Final residual = 9.5501e-06, No Iterations 61
GAMG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 0.250189, Final residual = 9.48497e-06, No Iterations 64
time step continuity errors : sum local = 6.54896e-10, global = 2.12459e-10, cumulative = 4.12504e-09
GAMG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 0.265897, Final residual = 8.92568e-06, No Iterations 65
GAMG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 0.284315, Final residual = 9.40306e-06, No Iterations 66
GAMG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 0.290986, Final residual = 9.02112e-06, No Iterations 66
time step continuity errors : sum local = 6.71955e-10, global = -2.06005e-10, cumulative = 3.91903e-09
ExecutionTime = 1398.48 s ClockTime = 1411 s

Time = 3e-05

Courant Number mean: 0.00263927 max: 0.433526
DILUPBiCG: Solving for Ux, Initial residual = 0.0538373, Final residual = 7.37212e-08, No Iterations 2
DILUPBiCG: Solving for Uy, Initial residual = 0.0204126, Final residual = 1.1062e-08, No Iterations 2
DILUPBiCG: Solving for Uz, Initial residual = 0.0188419, Final residual = 2.28729e-08, No Iterations 2
GAMG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 0.472397, Final residual = 9.45574e-06, No Iterations 122
GAMG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 0.546436, Final residual = 9.12948e-06, No Iterations 79
GAMG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 0.585044, Final residual = 8.95127e-06, No Iterations 85
time step continuity errors : sum local = 6.73667e-10, global = -9.83321e-11, cumulative = 3.8207e-09
GAMG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 0.596208, Final residual = 9.6783e-06, No Iterations 79
GAMG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 0.643603, Final residual = 9.04489e-06, No Iterations 87
GAMG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 0.628462, Final residual = 9.57861e-06, No Iterations 85
time step continuity errors : sum local = 8.8126e-10, global = 1.12988e-10, cumulative = 3.93369e-09
ExecutionTime = 1733.64 s ClockTime = 1750 s

Time = 3.5e-05

Courant Number mean: 0.00264827 max: 0.795428
DILUPBiCG: Solving for Ux, Initial residual = 0.032021, Final residual = 7.87142e-07, No Iterations 2
DILUPBiCG: Solving for Uy, Initial residual = 0.0351896, Final residual = 3.93019e-07, No Iterations 2
DILUPBiCG: Solving for Uz, Initial residual = 0.025715, Final residual = 4.18695e-07, No Iterations 2
GAMG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 0.797142, Final residual = 9.76751e-06, No Iterations 85
GAMG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 0.779713, Final residual = 9.82709e-06, No Iterations 91
GAMG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 0.83697, Final residual = 9.37075e-06, No Iterations 91
time step continuity errors : sum local = 1.31314e-09, global = -2.13586e-10, cumulative = 3.7201e-09
GAMG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 0.829189, Final residual = 9.62978e-06, No Iterations 87
GAMG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 0.874832, Final residual = 8.79269e-06, No Iterations 91
GAMG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 0.849942, Final residual = 9.68367e-06, No Iterations 83
time step continuity errors : sum local = 1.90408e-09, global = 4.02444e-10, cumulative = 4.12255e-09
ExecutionTime = 2076.11 s ClockTime = 2096 s

Time = 4e-05

Courant Number mean: 0.00270431 max: 2.20807
DILUPBiCG: Solving for Ux, Initial residual = 0.0464676, Final residual = 8.29943e-06, No Iterations 2
DILUPBiCG: Solving for Uy, Initial residual = 0.0870791, Final residual = 9.52937e-06, No Iterations 2
DILUPBiCG: Solving for Uz, Initial residual = 0.0609628, Final residual = 2.05242e-07, No Iterations 3
^Cmpirun: killing job...

 msuaeronautics January 28, 2013 19:29

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Industrial_CFD (Post 404653) HI msu, I tried implementing the new scheme as you suggested; however it looks like the solution is still unstable. I was flirting with Co = 0,5, so I am going to lower the timestep by an order of magnitude to see if that helps at all. I have a feeling it is my boundary conditions. I am use to (spoiled) CFX/FLUENT, so the software basically ensures the proper BCs are selected based on the simulation type. Would you mind looking over my text files? I feel I am close, since the mesh and case works in FLUENT. Cheers: Adam
Lowering the timestep probably won't help much if the solution is diverging after a few minutes of running.

Quote:
 nNonOrthogonalCorrectors 10;
Have you tried reducing these correctors? Usually, when necessary, no more than 3 non-orthogonals are sufficient, at least by my judgement.

Quote:
 Originally Posted by immortality (Post 404648) dear msuaeronautics could you have a look to my schemes how to change to have a better schemes? thanks a lot for your consideration. fvSchemes: Code: ```ddtSchemes {     default        CrankNicholson 0.5; } gradSchemes {     default        Gauss linear;     grad(p)        Gauss linear;     grad(U)        faceLimited leastSquares 1.0; } divSchemes {     default        none;     div(phi,U)      Gauss linearUpwind grad(U);     div(phid,p)    Gauss limitedLinear 1;     div(phi,K)      Gauss upwind;     div(phi,h)      Gauss limitedLinear 1;     div(phi,k)      Gauss limitedLinear 1;     div(phi,epsilon) Gauss limitedLinear 1;     div(phi,R)      Gauss limitedLinear 1;     div(phi,omega)  Gauss limitedLinear 1;     div((rho*R))    Gauss upwind;     div(R)          Gauss upwind;     div(U)          Gauss upwind;     div((muEff*dev2(T(grad(U))))) Gauss linear;     div(tauMC)  Gauss linear; } laplacianSchemes {     default        none;     laplacian(muEff,U) Gauss linear uncorrected;     laplacian(mut,U) Gauss linear uncorrected;     laplacian(DkEff,k) Gauss linear uncorrected;     laplacian(DepsilonEff,epsilon) Gauss linear uncorrected;     laplacian(DREff,R) Gauss linear uncorrected;     laplacian(DomegaEff,omega) Gauss linear uncorrected;     laplacian((rho*(1|A(U))),p) Gauss linear uncorrected;     laplacian(alphaEff,h) Gauss linear uncorrected;     laplacian(k,T)  Gauss linear uncorrected;      laplacian(alpha,e) Gauss linear uncorrected;     laplacian(alphaEff,e)  Gauss linear uncorrected; } interpolationSchemes {     default        linear; } snGradSchemes {     default        uncorrected; } fluxRequired {     default        no;     p              ; }``` fvSolution: Code: ```solvers {     p     {       /*solver PCG;       preconditioner DIC;       tolerance  1e-12;       relTol 0;*/     solver          GAMG;         smoother  DICGaussSeidel;         cacheAgglomeration true;         nCellsInCoarsestLevel 500;         nPreSweeps      0;         nPostSweeps    2;         nFinestSweeps  2;         agglomerator  faceAreaPair;         mergeLevels 2;         tolerance      1e-012;         relTol          0;     }     pFinal     {         \$p;         relTol          0;     }     "rho.*"     {         \$p;         tolerance      1e-11;         relTol          0;     }     "(U|e|h|R|k|epsilon|omega)"     {         solver          PBiCG;         preconditioner  DILU;         tolerance      1e-11;         relTol          0;         maxIter 25000;     }     "(U|h|R|k|epsilon|omega)Final"     {         \$U;         relTol          0;     } } PIMPLE {     momentumPredictor yes;     nOuterCorrectors 3;     nCorrectors    3;     nNonOrthogonalCorrectors 0;     rhoMin          rhoMin [ 1 -3 0 0 0 ] 0.2;     rhoMax          rhoMax [ 1 -3 0 0 0 ] 9; residualControl     {         "(U|k|omega)"         {             relTol          0;             tolerance      0.000000001;         }     } }``` thanks again.
What are you looking to improve? I have an affinity for backward time schemes and linearUpwind for div, though every case is different.

 Industrial_CFD January 28, 2013 19:31

I reduced those to 2, but it didn't improve the situation. I also reduced the timestep, and it didn't help either. Might I send you my boundary dictionaries? Ithink I may have accidentally set a boundary value incorrectly...but I don't see it. Although, as I mentioned, I usually use commercial solvers.

 msuaeronautics January 28, 2013 19:57

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Industrial_CFD (Post 404663) I reduced those to 2, but it didn't improve the situation. I also reduced the timestep, and it didn't help either. Might I send you my boundary dictionaries? Ithink I may have accidentally set a boundary value incorrectly...but I don't see it. Although, as I mentioned, I usually use commercial solvers. Cheers: Adam
Let's see them.

I also wonder if GAMG for pressure has anything to do with this, though I can't say for sure.

 Industrial_CFD January 28, 2013 20:27

Dictionaries

'B'
FoamFile
{
version 2.0;
format ascii;
class volTensorField;
object B;
}
// * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * //

dimensions [0 2 -2 0 0 0 0];

internalField uniform (0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0);

boundaryField
{
INLET
{
type fixedValue;
value uniform (0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0);
}

OUTLET
{
type inletOutlet;
inletValue uniform (0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0);
value uniform (0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0);
}

WALLS
{
}

LEAFLETSURFACE1
{
}

LEAFLETSURFACE2
{
}

BACKWALL
{
}
}

'k'
dimensions [0 2 -2 0 0 0 0];

internalField uniform 1e-10;

boundaryField
{
INLET
{
type fixedValue;
value uniform 1e-10;
}

OUTLET
{
type inletOutlet;
inletValue uniform 1e-10;
value uniform 1e-10;
}

WALLS
{
type fixedValue;
value uniform 1e-10;
}

BACKWALL
{
type fixedValue;
value uniform 1e-10;
}

LEAFLETSURFACE1
{
type fixedValue;
value uniform 1e-10;
}

LEAFLETSURFACE2
{
type fixedValue;
value uniform 1e-10;
}
}

// ************************************************** *********************** //

'nusgs'
* //

dimensions [0 2 -1 0 0 0 0];

internalField uniform 0;

boundaryField
{
INLET
{
}

OUTLET
{
}

WALLS
{
}

LEAFLETSURFACE1
{
}

LEAFLETSURFACE2
{
}

BACKWALL
{
}
}

// *********

'nutilda'

dimensions [0 2 -1 0 0 0 0];

internalField uniform 0;

boundaryField
{
INLET
{
type fixedValue;
value uniform 0;
}

OUTLET
{
type inletOutlet;
inletValue uniform 0;
value uniform 0;
}

WALLS
{
type fixedValue;
value uniform 0;
}

LEAFLETSURFACE1
{
type fixedValue;
value uniform 0;
}

LEAFLETSURFACE2
{
type fixedValue;
value uniform 0;
}

BACKWALL
{
type fixedValue;
value uniform 0;
}
}

//

'p'

dimensions [0 2 -2 0 0 0 0];

internalField uniform 0;

boundaryField
{
INLET
{
}

OUTLET
{
type fixedValue;
value uniform 0;
}

WALLS
{
}

BACKWALL
{
}

LEAFLETSURFACE1
{
}

LEAFLETSURFACE2
{

}
}

'U'
dimensions [0 1 -1 0 0 0 0];

internalField uniform (0 0 0);

boundaryField
{
INLET
{
type fixedValue;
value uniform (0.32 0 0);
}

OUTLET
{
type outletInlet;
inletValue uniform (0 0 0);
value uniform (0 0 0);
}

WALLS
{
type fixedValue;
value uniform (0 0 0);
}

LEAFLETSURFACE1
{
type fixedValue;
value uniform (0 0 0);
}

LEAFLETSURFACE2
{
type fixedValue;
value uniform (0 0 0);
}

BACKWALL
{
type fixedValue;
value uniform (0 0 0);
}
}

// ************

Thanks a lot for taking a look. I am really perplexed...

 immortality January 29, 2013 07:19

I want to improve stability.my problem is unsteady compressible with rhoPimpleFoam or rhoCentralFoam.my geometry is simple with rectangular cells and BC's are varying with time.I'm simulating Wave Rotor if you have ever heard about it.
thanks.

 Industrial_CFD January 29, 2013 14:00

Update

I am starting to wonder if my mesh was somehow improperly converted from a fluent3d mesh to an openfoam mesh. I can't find any problems with my boundary conditions, and if I use the same mesh in FLUENT it converges with no problem, even with a pretty similar setup.

FLUENT settings:

PISO solver, 1 skewness correction
Pressure Scheme: Second order
Momentum Scheme: Central Differencing

Transient: Second order implicit

AMG solver settings
Smoother> Gauss-Seidel
0 pre sweeps
1 post sweep
Standard Limiter (cell to face)

 msuaeronautics January 29, 2013 22:42

With regards to your BC's, I'm wondering about the outletInlet condition. If I remember correctly, changing from an inletOutlet for my inlet U to just a fixedValue helped my LES sim.

Otherwise, you probably do have to consider the mesh, as you suggested. I suppose you ran checkMesh in OpenFOAM already?

 immortality January 30, 2013 05:45

dear msuaeronautics
Could you please have a look into my schemes and say what other changes are better to done for more stability?
Do you know anything about residualControl in rhoPimpleFoam and its duty?
Thank you.

 Industrial_CFD January 30, 2013 10:46

Msu,

Thank's for the advice. I will try that. The checkMesh shows some highly skewed cells, but the ICEM output doesn't. The min Orthagonal quality (in ICEM is 0.3), and the min Skew (in ICEM is 0.25), which is a very good mesh. But OpenFOAM is giving me errors about highly skewed cells.

Immortality,

It looks like you have a lot of upwinding, and limiters in your scheme; this should produce stable results. Do a checkMesh. Also post your BCs.

Cheers

 Industrial_CFD January 31, 2013 21:54

Still no luck

FLUENT converges completely fine, but OpenFOAM blows up. Completely lost on what BC to implement....Anyone out there have any suggestions?

 msuaeronautics February 2, 2013 12:23

Did you ever try switching from GAMG?

 Industrial_CFD February 2, 2013 13:25