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Old   February 19, 2013, 02:06
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Hi Foamers,
I am working on axial flow fan, I want to calculate the torque.
I am using the function, which is posted by linnenman.

The problem is I am always getting 5 times bigger values.
for the whole fan (8 blades) the torque is 72N-m,
since I am using quarter of the section the torque should be 18 N-m, but I am always getting above 80N-m.

The same way in fluent 10 times bigger value(170 N-m), that means I am doing something wrong in the settings, but I am not able to figure out that.

can you people give me some small hint, what could be the possible mistake?

I am running out of Idea.

any sort of idea or hint will be appreciated.

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Old   February 24, 2013, 18:26
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Hi

Please could you tell more about your case ?
Which solver ?
What are your boundaries ?
How is your mesh ?


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Old   February 25, 2013, 05:47
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Hi Jean-Michel,

Thanks for your reply, I am using MRFSimpleFoam and SRFSimpleFoam.

I got the information how to calculate torque from the output. I think in openFoam the problem is fixed. I am getting reasonable torque as I expected, but the pressure raise is 15% error.

But in fluent, I am using SRF Solver. I dont know how to read the torque out put

results --> Reports --> moment --> rotation axis (0 0 0) & moment (0 0 1)

I am bit confused now the out put is for the existing geometry (2blade) or for the whole Geometry (8Blades), I am using only 1/4 th of the geometry for the simulation.

the fluent out put is something like this (11.5 12.5 -78).

I have uploaded my openFoam case in sendspace, if you have some spare time please have a look and give me your commands.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/ywba19


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Old   March 13, 2013, 11:08
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Hi,
I found the answer for my question,
The answer is my blade angle, it was wrong.
Now I have changed it and I got the perfect results.

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Old   March 20, 2013, 07:57
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Hi Sivakumar,
I am also doing the axial fan simulation in CFX and my torque prediction is more as compared to test value.
Can you please tell me about the boundary conditoin.



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Old   March 20, 2013, 10:42
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Hi Sam,
I am happy to give you the information, I have some questions,
i) how big is your torque?
ii) what is the static pressure raise?
if you are getting more torque and less static pressure raise, then you have problem with your blade angle. I will strongly suggest you to check the stagger angle.

Regarding BC's fan, hub and shroud --> wall, inlet --> mass flow rate, outlet --> Pressure outlet (0Pa) remaining all periodic (1/8th of the fan passage).

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Old   March 22, 2013, 14:56
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Hi Sivakumar,
Thanks for your reply.
1) Fan considered is ceiling fan and predicted torque value is 40-60% higher than test value.
2) RPM of fan is the only input, so mass flow rate cant be given as input.

So, can you help with this.

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Hi Sam,
I am not clear about your question, what are the boundary conditions your using at present (inlet and outlet)? how your case look like?

can you post some picture of your case, it may give some idea to the people those who want to help you.


It is difficult to give an idea with out seeing your case, try to post your mesh in cfx forum, some cfx experts can help you.

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Old   March 23, 2013, 11:15
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hi,
1) Its a simple case of ceiling fan rotating in a room at constant RPM.
2) So in rotating domain which contains whole fan and other is stationary domain.
The problem is prediction of fan torque.

Can anyone help with this.
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