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July 30, 2007, 11:39 
Hi there,
I got stuck with

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Hi there,
I got stuck with an intent to do topological changes (layerAdditionRemoval) in version 1.4. I managed to write a class derived from topoChangerFvMesh. I am doing a prescribed movement of one wall, which works fine. I also managed to add a facezone and a layerAdditionRemoval modifier, which is supposed to add/remove layers in front of that moving wall. Using function changeTopology() from that modifier in my class derived from topochangerfvmesh , it also returns me a "true" when I would want the mesh to be modified, so things dont look bad. However, now I have no clue where to get a mapPolyMesh object from, in order to be able to call polyTopoChanger::update(const Foam::mapPolyMesh&). Anyways, I could not find any derivation of topochangerfvmesh in version 1.4 anyways  everything doing topological changes I looked at (in version 1.4), to get some help,e.g. the linearValveLayersFvMesh, is commented out in Make/files. Which makes me wonder if topological changes do work at all in 1.4? Or do I have to resort to Hrvoje's development version? Thank you very much! Thomas 

July 30, 2007, 12:34 
Time for a classic "works for

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Time for a classic "works for me" :) There has been a number of bug fixes and I'm just about finished with the move to 1.4.1 now. Mesh layering is pretty easy and my topo changes tutorials work without trouble.
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July 31, 2007, 04:31 
Hi Thomas,
it works with 1.4!

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Hi Thomas,
it works with 1.4! You don't have to call update explicitly. Just make sure you got the function update() implemented in your derivation of topoChangerFvMesh, it get's called automatically. To execute the actual mesh motion invoke movePoints(yourCalculatedNewPoints) inside the update function. Hope it helps, Björn 

July 31, 2007, 06:16 
Bjoern, let me give you a hug!

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Bjoern, let me give you a hug!
That was exactly the information I needed, works now. Thanks again! Thomas 

August 2, 2007, 07:43 
LayerAdditionRemoval works fin

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LayerAdditionRemoval works fine for me now in serial,however, in parallel (4 processors), I get this:
[2] [2] [2] > FOAM FATAL ERROR : Face extrusion zone contains no faces. Please check your mesh definition.#0 Foam::error::printStack(Foam:stream&) #1 Foam::error::abort() #2 Foam::layerAdditionRemoval::checkDefinition() #3 Foam::layerAdditionRemoval::layerAdditionRemoval(F oam::word const&, int, Foam::polyTopoChanger const&, Foam::word const&, double, double) #4 Foam::layeringFvMesh::addZonesAndModifiers() I can only imagine that there are partitions which are not in contact with the faceZone I specified for the layerAdditionRemoval modifier. But how to tell it? addZonesAndModifiers() seems to be called only on one processor, as far as I can see from my output. I already tried creating and saving the faceZone before and after decomposition, but makes no difference. Any hints? Thanks again! Thomas 

August 2, 2007, 07:53 
The version you've got does no

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The version you've got does not support topological changes in parallel  if you want to run this on more than 1 CPU, it's time to write some code.
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August 2, 2007, 08:12 
"The version you've got" ....

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"The version you've got" ....
Sounds like there could be another version? Dont want to say I do not want to write code ... but I am afraid I still have to learn too much to start with that Thanks, anyways Thomas 

August 2, 2007, 08:22 
Well, I wrote the code and whe

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Well, I wrote the code and when I wrote it I didn't implement parallel support into any of the topo change stuff. Mattijs (than you) has put some serious effort into handling some parallelism, but as you can see, this is not operational yet.
This is a sufficiently important feature that it must be developed in the near future because so many people need it. I have been playing around with ideas and partial parallelisation of various bits and bobs, but the job is substantial. In short, ongoing (serious and heavyduty) work: if you just want to run the code, you'll have to wait, otherwise you can consider contributing to the effort. Hrv
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October 15, 2007, 11:45 
Hi all!
I've managed to use t

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Hi all!
I've managed to use topo changes in my case. I've got a problem when there is a layer removal, the pressure always go crasy... and I don't know why! I'm using a modified version of turbForceFoam by Philipose to do the calculations... Here is the output : Time = 0.24 Solving kinematic equations.... Absolute simulation time [sec] = 0.24 Real delta T [sec] = 0.01 Calculating buoyant force . . . . Buoyant force on patch movingCone = 153281 N Calculating Pressure Forces.... Area of patch movingCone = 37.5 Pressure force on patch movingCone = (0.0568286 0.0568286 49.6551) N Total Pressure Force along motion vector = 49655.1 N (0 0 1.22762) a la ligne 167 Calculated Re number = 657653 Calculated drag coefficient = 233.677 Calculated acceleration in motion direction [m/s^2] = 4.9996 Calculated velocity of motion [m/s] = (0,0,1.22762) Calculated distance moved [m] = (0,0,0.155522) Updating vertex markup. curDown: 58.8568 curUp: 61.3568 Updating vertex markup2. curLeft: 10.8 curRight: 20.2 Executing mesh motion time step continuity errors : sum local = 5.41714e12, global = 1.08005e12, cumulative = 1.30584e11 DICPCG: Solving for pcorr, Initial residual = 1, Final residual = 7.53489e07, No Iterations 43 DICPCG: Solving for pcorr, Initial residual = 8.90281e08, Final residual = 8.90281e08, No Iterations 0 DICPCG: Solving for pcorr, Initial residual = 8.90281e08, Final residual = 8.90281e08, No Iterations 0 Courant Number mean: 1.902e05 max: 0.0234231 DILUPBiCG: Solving for Ux, Initial residual = 0.0244316, Final residual = 5.01149e08, No Iterations 1 DILUPBiCG: Solving for Uy, Initial residual = 0.0244316, Final residual = 5.01149e08, No Iterations 1 DILUPBiCG: Solving for Uz, Initial residual = 0.0166555, Final residual = 8.60463e08, No Iterations 1 DICPCG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 0.0217529, Final residual = 8.49264e07, No Iterations 26 DICPCG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 8.32018e07, Final residual = 8.32018e07, No Iterations 0 DICPCG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 8.32018e07, Final residual = 8.32018e07, No Iterations 0 time step continuity errors : sum local = 4.90486e12, global = 5.50557e13, cumulative = 1.36089e11 DICPCG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 1.61881e05, Final residual = 9.68505e07, No Iterations 9 DICPCG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 9.68508e07, Final residual = 9.68508e07, No Iterations 0 DICPCG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 9.68508e07, Final residual = 9.68508e07, No Iterations 0 time step continuity errors : sum local = 5.70951e12, global = 1.07183e12, cumulative = 1.46808e11 ExecutionTime = 23.06 s ClockTime = 25 s Time = 0.26 Solving kinematic equations.... Absolute simulation time [sec] = 0.26 Real delta T [sec] = 0.01 Calculating buoyant force . . . . Buoyant force on patch movingCone = 153281 N Calculating Pressure Forces.... Area of patch movingCone = 37.5 Pressure force on patch movingCone = (137.944 137.944 112196) N Total Pressure Force along motion vector = 1.12196e+08 N (0 0 1.37557) a la ligne 167 Calculated Re number = 736911 Calculated drag coefficient = 420529 Calculated acceleration in motion direction [m/s^2] = 9.8 Calculated velocity of motion [m/s] = (0,0,1.37557) Calculated distance moved [m] = (0,0,0.182054) Updating vertex markup. curDown: 58.8317 curUp: 61.3317 Updating vertex markup2. curLeft: 10.8 curRight: 20.2 Executing mesh motion time step continuity errors : sum local = 1.44673e08, global = 2.01092e09, cumulative = 5.25112e09 DICPCG: Solving for pcorr, Initial residual = 1, Final residual = 6.52668e07, No Iterations 45 DICPCG: Solving for pcorr, Initial residual = 1.71903e07, Final residual = 1.71903e07, No Iterations 0 DICPCG: Solving for pcorr, Initial residual = 1.71903e07, Final residual = 1.71903e07, No Iterations 0 Courant Number mean: 0.000962346 max: 2.61532 DILUPBiCG: Solving for Ux, Initial residual = 0.33902, Final residual = 3.92993e07, No Iterations 5 DILUPBiCG: Solving for Uy, Initial residual = 0.33902, Final residual = 3.92993e07, No Iterations 5 DILUPBiCG: Solving for Uz, Initial residual = 0.296688, Final residual = 3.17797e06, No Iterations 4 DICPCG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 0.803482, Final residual = 7.98478e07, No Iterations 46 DICPCG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 6.01537e07, Final residual = 6.01537e07, No Iterations 0 DICPCG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 6.01537e07, Final residual = 6.01537e07, No Iterations 0 time step continuity errors : sum local = 1.78226e09, global = 2.96637e11, cumulative = 5.28078e09 DICPCG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 0.260427, Final residual = 9.7542e07, No Iterations 44 DICPCG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 1.43951e06, Final residual = 7.42881e07, No Iterations 1 DICPCG: Solving for p, Initial residual = 7.42881e07, Final residual = 7.42881e07, No Iterations 0 time step continuity errors : sum local = 1.42263e09, global = 1.32835e10, cumulative = 5.41362e09 ExecutionTime = 26.39 s ClockTime = 28 s Courant Number mean: 0.0026763 max: 2.30372 When looking at the solution, we can see that pressure at the insertion point of the layer is way too high (like 1e5 when it is supposed to be aroun 1e2)... Any hints? 

October 15, 2007, 13:15 
Hello Dominique,
A Good day

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Hello Dominique,
A Good day to you :)! Very interesting to see that you have actually put the solver to use, and even modified it :)! Didnt expect people to take it up and add on functionality! Really nice :)! Well... when I implemented the solver, I had not thought of using it in combination with topological changes, though in theory, I dont see why it shouldnt work with it either :)! So for me it would be very interesting if you could send me the modified version of the solver (only if possible ofcourse!). As for the sudden change in pressure... I am not sure what is taken care of automatically, and what needs to be taken care of in the top level solver... but when you make a topological change (for example layer addition/removal)... you need to map the old solution on to the new mesh. So in your particular case, when you remove a layer, the values of the field variables in the surrounding layers would have to be corrected I think. I am sure Hrvoje can say more about this... he is the main dude behind that code anyway :)! Have a nice day! Philippose 

October 15, 2007, 13:27 
I made a mistake earlier... W

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I made a mistake earlier... When there is layer removal, everything is working fine. The problem is when adding layers actually...


October 17, 2007, 11:07 
I've just updated everything t

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I've just updated everything to 1.4.1dev svn version from sourceforge.net, and I still have the same problem when adding new layers... Nobody have an Idea???
Thanks! 

October 17, 2007, 12:14 
You need to be more specific.

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You need to be more specific. It all works fine over here and our friends in Milan are using layering all the time. How did you write the solver  will it resolve the pressure equation after a topo change? Is the flow incompressible in a closed box (no inlet or outlet): if so, the total volume/mass MUST be exactly identical between iterations. Do you get a continuity error after a topo change?
Adding layers should be trivial  all that happens is a cell inflation from zero volume, which is numerically exact. Hrv
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October 17, 2007, 13:33 
Thanks for your answer
For th

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Thanks for your answer
For the solver, I've took icoDyMFoam and added a force solver right before " bool meshChanged = mesh.update() " After mesh motion, I have a volume change of about 1e10, but there is an inlet and an outlet. After a topological change, the continuity error is of about 1e15, about the same that in previous iterations... 

October 18, 2007, 01:50 
I've been thinking about this:

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I've been thinking about this: you have to satisfy both the mass continyitu and volume continuity to make for smooth pressure. Looking at your log output, I think I've got more stuff in icoDyMFoam than you  please have a look at this in the dev version.
In any case, you can stick this into your code and see what you get: the volume continuity error must be zer0 to machine tolerance: { volScalarField conserve = fvc::div(mesh.phi()); // The ddt term constructed by hand because it would be wrong for // Backward Differencing in time. conserve.internalField() += (1.0  mesh.V0()/mesh.V())/runTime.deltaT().value(); scalar sumLocalContErr = runTime.deltaT().value()* mag(conserve)().weightedAverage(mesh.V()).value(); scalar globalContErr = runTime.deltaT().value()* conserve.weightedAverage(mesh.V()).value(); Info<< "volume continuity errors : sum local = " << sumLocalContErr << ", global = " << globalContErr << endl; } Hrv
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October 18, 2007, 09:20 
mmm.... Error seems to be th

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mmm.... Error seems to be there!
Before the topo. change, I've got a volume continuity error of local : 4e16 and global : 2e18 but after topo change, it looks like local :0.189668 and global : 0.189668... I will look again at my modified version of movingConeTopoFvMesh, there should be an error there... Thanks 

October 18, 2007, 11:47 
Ok so, I juste updated the mov

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Ok so, I juste updated the movingConeTopoFvMesh for what I want to do, using the svn movingConeTopoFvMesh. I still have the same problem with volume continuity error... What is the volume continuity error?
Thanks a lot for your answers!! 

October 18, 2007, 16:20 
Yup: bug. MY bug http://www.c

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Yup: bug. MY bug Sorry about that. It is fixed now and checked in:
/trunk/Core/OpenFOAM1.4.1dev/src/topoChangerFvMesh/movingConeTopoFvMesh/moving ConeTopoFvMesh.C movingConeTopoFvMesh.C Apologies, Hrv
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October 18, 2007, 16:51 
Ok. I made the corrections, a

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Ok. I made the corrections, and no more problem with volume continuity error. Unfortunately, I still have the pressure going crasy problem when adding new layers... very weird!!


October 18, 2007, 17:05 
What is your velocity boundary

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What is your velocity boundary condition on the moving wall: are you using movingWallVelocity? Can you reproduce the error on a simple (tutorial) case and with a standard code?
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