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ayoros March 30, 2009 05:07

LES wall function
 
Hi all, and good Monday morning for everyone (at least for those close to my meridian time) !

About the nuSgsWallFunction, I still have some doubts.

Do the yPlus values have to be higher than say 11 for the wall function to be effective ? Or can LES wall function cope with yPlus values from say 1 to 30 ?

Also, if I don't use wall function, am I right applying 'zeroGradient' for nuSgs boundary condition at walls ?

Thanks in advance,
Fabien

cedric_duprat March 31, 2009 04:36

Hi Fabien,

In OpenFOAM, the nuSgsWallFunction correspond the Spalding's law.
It's a fit of the laminar and logarithmic regions for an equilibrium flow. So, if your boundary layer is in equilibrium, you can use the wall model for a large value of y+.
But because it is never the case, I would advise to resolve as accurately as possible your boundary layer by putting your first of the wall grid point in the viscous sub-layer (Y+<7)

the point is that between 7 and 30, it's the buffer layer and .... people don't really know what happend there that's why people usually avoid these values.

I hope this will help you

Cedric

PS: more information can be found in the turbulenceSIG wiki http://openfoamwiki.net/index.php/Si...Implementation

ayoros March 31, 2009 07:55

Hi Cedric,

Thanks for the information.

I looked after the Spalding's law and now I get it.

Regards,
Fabien

maysmech January 25, 2011 16:05

Quote:

the point is that between 7 and 30, it's the buffer layer
Hi,
Which B.C should be used for nu and K for yPlus 20?
Thanks in advance

openfoammaofnepo April 4, 2014 18:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by cedric_duprat (Post 211368)
Hi Fabien,

In OpenFOAM, the nuSgsWallFunction correspond the Spalding's law.
It's a fit of the laminar and logarithmic regions for an equilibrium flow. So, if your boundary layer is in equilibrium, you can use the wall model for a large value of y+.
But because it is never the case, I would advise to resolve as accurately as possible your boundary layer by putting your first of the wall grid point in the viscous sub-layer (Y+<7)

the point is that between 7 and 30, it's the buffer layer and .... people don't really know what happend there that's why people usually avoid these values.

I hope this will help you

Cedric

PS: more information can be found in the turbulenceSIG wiki http://openfoamwiki.net/index.php/Si...Implementation

Hi All,

I have a question about the wall functions of LES in Openfoam. Theoretically, when wall function is used, the velocity at the wall is not zero and instead the velocity is friction velocity which is solved from the log-law or linear law. Then the wall shear stress is obtained tau_w=rho*u_tau**2. Then this wall shear stress can be used for the discretization of the momentum equations. However, in openfoam's specifications, when wall function is applied, the velocity at the wall is still (0 0 0).

Why can we still use (0 0 0) for the wall velocity here?

Thank you in advance.
OFFO

openfoammaofnepo April 11, 2014 06:50

Hi cedric_duprat,

About the LES wall function in openfoam, there is a question I need to ask you:

in nuSgsWallFunction, the velocity at the first cell near the wall is instantaneous, not mean. Is there any possible to implement the time averaged velocity for that quantity?

OFFO

Quote:

Originally Posted by cedric_duprat (Post 211368)
Hi Fabien,

In OpenFOAM, the nuSgsWallFunction correspond the Spalding's law.
It's a fit of the laminar and logarithmic regions for an equilibrium flow. So, if your boundary layer is in equilibrium, you can use the wall model for a large value of y+.
But because it is never the case, I would advise to resolve as accurately as possible your boundary layer by putting your first of the wall grid point in the viscous sub-layer (Y+<7)

the point is that between 7 and 30, it's the buffer layer and .... people don't really know what happend there that's why people usually avoid these values.

I hope this will help you

Cedric

PS: more information can be found in the turbulenceSIG wiki http://openfoamwiki.net/index.php/Si...Implementation


ashvinc9 September 4, 2014 15:44

Wall-function in LES
 
Hi OFFO,

I doubt itís not possible to implement the time-averaged velocity for the wall-function in LES, because LES resolves the instantaneous flow not the mean (or time-averaged) flow. Opposite to RANS. But in any case, one use the wall-function approach based on the instantaneous flow in LES.

People often say itís not good to use the wall-function in LES, but what about the high Re flows, such as the atmospheric flow having the Reynolds number~10^(8-9). It is simply too much computationally demanding even using the modern super-computers.

Most importantly, when you use the wall-function try to put your first node at, say y^+>50 from the wall. Moreover, the nuSgsWallFunction is available for LES in OF. But be carefully this wall function is poor in predicting the flow separation.

Hope this helps!

BR, Ashvin


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