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 October 26, 2013, 05:26 low reynolds turbulence models #1 Senior Member     Tobias Holzmann Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Leoben (Austria) Posts: 1,397 Blog Entries: 5 Rep Power: 24 Hi all, I have just a very simple question. In which case should I use a low Re turbulence model. Is there any lower Re-number limit where you should use low Re turbulence model like: (pipe flow) ------------------------ Code: ```Re < 2300 laminar Re > 2300 - 5000 low-Re-turbulence model Re > 5000 normal turbulence model``` Thanks in advance Tobi

 October 27, 2013, 13:36 #2 Member   Nicolas Edh Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Uppsala, Sweden Posts: 99 Rep Power: 8 Hi Tobi, As far as I understand matters low-Re models are used when you are resolving the fields all through to yplus < 5. When you are using high Re models then your should be yplus > 30. If you search for "openfoam low re models" you'll find a couple of good threads. Here are some of them, Wall treatment with OpenFOAM y+ and u+ values with low-Re RANS turbulence models: utility + testcase Why Menter's SST model low-Re issue has not been seriously investigated? Best Nicolas samiam1000 and arvindpj like this.

 October 28, 2013, 11:39 #3 Senior Member     Daniel WEI (老魏) Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Beijing, China Posts: 689 Blog Entries: 9 Rep Power: 13 Hi Tobi, Low-Re Number Models (LRN) as compared to High-Re Number Models (HRN) are not used for global low reynolds number flows. I think the name at its first place looks very misleading. It's been asked by my colleagues for many times. The LRN models means their mathematical formulations are capable to resolve the turbulence flow down to the wall (y^+<1). The low-re is local in this physical sense. High Re models are supposed to work with wall functions. So for a HRN model, even if you refine the wall grid to very fine, it won't work! But for a LRN model, you refine the wall grid and the results will converge and agree very well with the experiments. Of cause, some LRN models are also in practice used with wall functions. They are said to work in HRN mode. But please keep in mind, for global low/medium Reynolds flows, popular RANS models on the market such as the SA and the SST model and the v2f model, etc., are insufficient to handle them. Not even that, even when the global Re number is high, but whenever say there is strong vortex shedding and huge "low-re" regions, these LRN models are also incapable to predict them well. It seems this is the bottom neck of RANS framework. The best guys in RANS fields are still working on it. Even though it seems hopeless to me. URANS can help in a few situations, but not all. The evolution of Reynolds stress (its time scale) seems just too difficult to model. For global low re flows or flows with transitions (they are the cases that you HAVE TO account for the transition effect in your simulation), a few "transitional models" are said to predict better, like some three equation models. I think they do not fall into the category of LRN and HRN models, even though they are mostly based on them. Hope this helps. jherb, Tobi, arvindpj and 3 others like this. __________________ ~ Daniel WEI ------------- Boeing Research & Technology - China Beijing, China Email

 October 29, 2013, 05:03 #4 Senior Member   Samuele Z Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Mozzate - Co - Italy Posts: 490 Rep Power: 10 Hi guys: a question about turbulence models.. ..can I use the standard kEpsilon avoiding the wall functions? How can I get this? Thanks a lot, Samuele

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