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June 24, 2009, 11:50 
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Hello everybody,
I want to calculate a growing bubble with interFoam. The bubble grow by adding a masssource term within the bubble. In principle that would be done by adding a source term to the continuity equation: div(U)= mass_source Unfortunatly the continuity is not solved that way in interFoam. 

June 24, 2009, 13:28 

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If you are talking about nucleate boiling, than your bubble is growing on some heater surface (and from within a nucleation site)?
Do you want to simulate the actual evaporation or just the growth of the bubble?
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I only want to solve the growth of the bubble.
The continuity equation is: div(U)=mass_source The gamma equation is also affected by the source. The problem is that the interFoam solver doesn't solve the continuity equation in that way. Which is better, use the pEqn of the interFoam solver or delete it and define a new equation div(U)=mass_source ? 

June 26, 2009, 08:42 

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If you only want to simulate the growing bubble on a heater surface I can suggest you have a look into the work of Gerlach et al. from 2007.
He uses an approach in which the 'evaporated mass' is simply flowing into the computational domain through an orifice at the bottom. Here is an image of the used computational domain, to make this more clear: In this case you don't have to solve the energy equation as the actual evaporation is not modelled at all and no temperature is needed. You even can use the interFoam solver, without altering it. I have done these calculations with interFoam in my bachelor thesis, so I don't know if this is challenging enough for your PhD thesis?!
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June 26, 2009, 09:39 

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I want to calculate a bubble in a heated wall. Due to the heating, the bubble grows.
The heat transfered by conduction is: q = k*grad(T) The mass evaporated is: k*grad(T)/L calling L the vaporization latent heat. To do that, I need to add a source to the mass equation. 

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Read carefully the suggestions by H. Weller and espacially H. Jasak. Maybe you should consider contacting B. Shu who started the thread and just finished typing his PhD on this subject. By the way he was my mentor during my bachelor thesis. Good luck.
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Hi,
I am trying to simulate boiling of water. i have supplied one surface of the damain as hot surface. however water enters the donmain at room temp and atmosheric pressure. However it should leave the system as waterand watervapour mixture. I am using interPhaseChangeFoam for this case. but, as i tried to analise the code I didn't find that it solved energy equation. and i also noticed that no tempreture is need to be specified at with initial boundary conditions. Please let me know where i am goin wrong and suggest me the right procedure....... Thanks, Vishal 

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Hi vishal.
You have to add the energy equation to the interPĥaseChangeFoam By curiosity, ¿are you using level set method? 

July 13, 2009, 04:20 

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Hi again, vishal,
In this link you have information about adding the energy equation to a solver. It is to icoFoam, but to interFoam the process is similar: http://openfoamwiki.net/index.php/Ho...ure_to_icoFoam 

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Hi Isabel,
One year later, i hope that you have solved the problem. If not, my objective is gonna be challenging. My configuration is a turbulent flow flowing in an uniformly heated channel at intermediate pressure (45bars). I have to model subcooled nucleate boiling in OpenFOAM as well. The model i want to implement is a rather simple one based on Kurul & Podowski's research. This model studies the growth and liftoff of bubbles. The main idea is that the wall heat flux can be partitioned in 3 components:  evaporation: heat given to superheated water that evaporates and leads to bubble growth  quenching: heat given to subcooled water that has just replaced the site previously occupied by a leaving bubble  singlephase convection: where no bubble appears, the heat transfer is basic single phase heat convection Correlations exist for these terms and they can be expressed as a function of the subcooling. So i wanted to have your opinion about the way to do it. From which solver should i start? How did you solve your problems? Any tips/advices welcome! Thanks a lot! 

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I am brand new on this forum, in OpenFOAM and in CFD in general...
So please detail (just a bit) your answers. Thanks 

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Hi Edy,
One year later, I have solved the problem. I simulated the growth and detaching of a bubble from a heated wall and I tried two ways:  Employing “VOF method”  Employing “levelset method” Both ways were successful. My reference solver was interFoam, but I had to program a lot of changes. About the turbulence, my problem is laminar, and about evaporation, quenching and singlephase I have not considered those. I only considered that the heat at the interface is transfered by conduction, i.e. q = k*grad(T) and the mass evaporated is: k*grad(T)/L calling L the vaporization latent heat. 

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Hi Isabel,
Thanks for your answer and sorry for the delay, I will try something different, solving conservation equations (mass, momentum, energy) for both phases. Using closure relationships should enable me to avoid these interface tracking methods and calculate void fraction for each cell. Hoping this will work... Thanks 

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Please kindly provide some insight into how you were able to pull this off. I am using interFoam and I am having some challenges incorporating the source terms into the equations. Could you please help? In my case I am simulating falling film evaporation of a liquid on a heated vertical surface and for now I am considering laminar flow. Thanks. 

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Hello ovie.
Are you going to use "VOF" or "level set"? 

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Thanks Isabel for your response..
I am using VOF with interFoam modified to include an energy equation. Thanks 

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Hello ovie,
These are the steps I did to interFoam:  First of all, I added the energy equation  Secondly, I programmed a source to the pdEqn  Finally, I programmed a source to the gammaEqn 

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But could you please be more elaborate on how to program the source terms? That is what I am grappling with at the moment. Thanks 

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p { marginbottom: 0.21cm; } In the pdEqn, if the equation is grad(U) = source, I have programmed:
fvScalarMatrix pdEqn ( fvm::laplacian(rUAf, pd)  fvc::div(phi)  sourcepd ); In the gammaEqn, the same. I have programmed: fvScalarMatrix gammaEqn ( fvm::ddt(gamma) + fvm::div(phi,gamma)  sourcegamma ); 

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