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Old   January 3, 2011, 05:06
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Hello Foamers,

I've set up my flow field model using both LES and RAS ( run with pisoFoam) for a urban street canyon, and would like to introduce scaler transport model to simulate pollutant dispersion. I understand that ScalarTransportFoam can be used here, however i will need to modify the code to introduce a source term (i've been following this tutorial) I'm not quite clear as to how to go about the entire process, ie to link the modified code after introducing the changes , to my wind field output data(output of pisoFoam run). I'm not very thorough with C ++ hoping to get familiarized with it as soon as possible!

Thank you in advance!

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Old   January 4, 2011, 05:37
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I've been trying to implement a source term to scalerTransportForm coupling it to my pisoFoam solver and have attempted to include a source term as mentioned in the tutorial(mentioned above) as follows where my T is my scaler field and my source "source":-
Code:
solve
	(
	  fvm::ddt(T)
	  + fvm::div(phi, T)
	  - fvm::laplacian(DT, T)
	  ==
	  source
	);
this is in my Teqn.H file , which is called in my main .C mypisoFoam file as follows:-

Code:
for (int corr=0; corr<nCorr; corr++)
            {
		#include "TEqn.H"
I've also included the necessary input data to be read in the createFields.H file :-
Code:
Info<< "Reading field T\n" << endl;
    volScalarField T
    (
	IOobject
	(
	    "T",
	    runTime.timeName(),
	    mesh,
	    IOobject::MUST_READ,
	    IOobject::AUTO_WRITE
	    ),
	    mesh
	);
	
     Info<< " Reading source" << endl;
     volScalarField source
     (
     	IOobject
	(
	    "source",
	    runTime.timeName(),
	    mesh,
	    IOobject::MUST_READ,
	    IOobject::NO_WRITE
	    ),
	    mesh
	    );
Just to be clear, i complied all the above without any errors (yay!) , so now all i have to do is define my initial value T(scaler component) and source at my boundaries as specified in my Mesh right? The same tutorial mentions something about a non-uniform source which has got me a bit confused, non uniform in what sense?? i would really appreciate if i could get some input on if i've done this correctly?!

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Abhinav, the kind of source you're using is passive, i.e. it doesn't depend on the values of T. Nevertheless this doesn't imply that this source have to be spatially constant. In the way you're defined it, it can be a completely spatially variable source. Other way is to define the source value in the transportProperties dictionary and then use:

Code:
solve
	(
	  fvm::ddt(T)
	  + fvm::div(phi, T)
	  - fvm::laplacian(DT, T)
	  ==
	  sourceValue
	);
where sourceValue is the value given by the dictionary.

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Old   January 5, 2011, 05:30
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Thank you Santiago!
Yes i understand i'm using a passive source here, which is exactly what i want. However i'm getting a little confused on how to specify my source to a specific region in my geometry where i want my scaler T to get generated and subsequently dispersed with the prevailing wind flow regime. Is there a way to do that? Pardon me if my question seems silly!

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Abhinav, your question is how to set the values of the source across the domain? If it's the case you have swak4Foam (http://openfoamwiki.net/index.php/Contrib/swak4Foam) to do so.

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However i'm getting a little confused on how to specify my source to a specific region in my geometry where i want my scaler T to get generated and subsequently dispersed with the prevailing wind flow regime.
Easy: once the fields 'source' and 'T' are defined, you can manipulate them the same way as other fields; i.e.: define their initial values in the files 'thecase/0/T' and 'thecase/0/source'
and set the values at the appropriate regions of the mesh using setFields or
funkySetFields, or, in especially customized cases, assign the values straight in the code, e.g. point by point, like this:

Code:
source[mesh.findCell (point (x,y,z))] = value_at_xyz;
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Hi Robertas and Santiago,

Thanks for the help! I'm pretty sure as to how to go about it now...

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Robertas , if i were to assign values straight in the code like you've mentioned, where(which file) am i suppose to add the code to?
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Robertas , if i were to assign values straight in the code like you've mentioned, where(which file) am i suppose to add the code to?
It depends on the structure of your program and what you want to do. Usually, the
overall structure of the solver is like this:

Code:
// Initialization goes here;
// main loop:
while ( runTime.run() )
{
    // solution steps for equations (depend on the particular solver):
    #include "UEqn.H"
    ... // other equations, as/if needed
   // output data and such...
}
// wrap up
and all this is located in the "main" file, i.e., the file where the 'main' function is located. If the source field(s) are time-dependent,
the values should be assigned inside the main loop; but then you'll probably want to define a separate function for calculating the field values, and this function can be located in a separate file, like

Code:
// in the file "updateSource.h"
void updateSource (volScalarField& Q);
Code:
// in the file "updateSource.cpp"
void updateSource (volScalarField& Q)
{
   // the required assignments go here
}
Code:
#include "updateSource.h"

// Initialization goes here;
// main loop:
while ( runTime.run() )
{
    // update source fields
    updateSource (Q);
    // solution steps for equations (depend on the particular solver):
    #include "UEqn.H"
    ... // other equations, as/if needed
   // output data and such...
}
// wrap up
It's a matter of the general program structure, so there are no strict rules -- just considerations...
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Hello Foamers,

I've set up my flow field model using both LES and RAS ( run with pisoFoam) for a urban street canyon, and would like to introduce scaler transport model to simulate pollutant dispersion. I understand that ScalarTransportFoam can be used here, however i will need to modify the code to introduce a source term (i've been following this tutorial) I'm not quite clear as to how to go about the entire process, ie to link the modified code after introducing the changes , to my wind field output data(output of pisoFoam run). I'm not very thorough with C ++ hoping to get familiarized with it as soon as possible!

Thank you in advance!

Regards,
Abhinav
I think the key question here is how does one model passive scalar transport in turbulent field? This should be the answer to be addressed rather than adding a source term. If you want to use a Reynolds averaged passive scalar approach then you might want to have a look at some other threads, including this one:

ScalarTransportFoam for RTD calculations

I had a similar question a while back and I give a snippet of code that has worked very well. If the code on that thread is used, then the difficult part is to estimate the turbulent mass diffusivity of the pollutant. Usually this is estimated with a constant global turbulent schmidt number (turbulent viscosity/ turbulent mass diffusivity) equal to 0.7 (from fluent documentation). There are some other nuances of that are covered in posts 17 and 18 in the provided link. Basically the gradient diffusion hypothesis is used to approximate the scalar-flux <u'\phi'> term produced during reynolds averaging. For an LES approach, the methods are a little different that could employ a subgrid scalar flux relationship. I hope this helps.

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Thank you Robertas and Dan,
I apologies for the late reply as i was busy with some related but different work. Yes i see the importance of modeling scaler transport in a turbulent field to be addressed here, it was also pointed out by my mentor. I've used funkysetfields to define specific patches where i would like to introduce my scaler (i found it more convenient then manually entering the points), moreover i believe usage of a source term is not apt for my particular application(?). Actually i require a constant source of scaler to be introduced in my domain at a specified location, corresponding to emissions from vehicles passing through my street canyon. Would it be reasonable to assume a constant scaler concentration at points where i have assumed vehicle to pass, and allow scaler transport foam to calculate the dispersion with the turbulent diffusivity (by adding nut term to DT) accounted for?...
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Thank you Robertas and Dan,
I apologies for the late reply as i was busy with some related but different work. Yes i see the importance of modeling scaler transport in a turbulent field to be addressed here, it was also pointed out by my mentor. I've used funkysetfields to define specific patches where i would like to introduce my scaler (i found it more convenient then manually entering the points), moreover i believe usage of a source term is not apt for my particular application(?). Actually i require a constant source of scaler to be introduced in my domain at a specified location, corresponding to emissions from vehicles passing through my street canyon. Would it be reasonable to assume a constant scaler concentration at points where i have assumed vehicle to pass, and allow scaler transport foam to calculate the dispersion with the turbulent diffusivity (by adding nut term to DT) accounted for?...
About your moving source, you might want to look at something called swak4foam (http://openfoamwiki.net/index.php/Contrib/swak4Foam) that has some functionality for sources (swakSourceFields, swakTopoSources) that are explained in the README file. It may offer different functionality than just funkySetFields. Turbulent diffusivity addition is important, with the relation to turbulent Schmidt. if there are regions of low nut, the turbulent diffusivity will be low and the molecular diffusivity will dominate. Hence why it is important to keep the molecular diffusivity in there too (I know some threads and books say to just drop that term, but its very simple to keep).


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