[andrea.pasquali]

Hi,
I'd like to investigate better the Wind Turbine Analysis problem.
Before considering this problem I did a transient analysis using dynamic mesh and ggi (just to do a test and to try the ggi) with a horizontal 3 blades turbine.
Then I read many treads and reports about this problem and I found some people suggest to use dynamic mesh, others to use MRF, other not, others to use SRF (for low rpm), other to use also rotation BC and others to use Body Force Model ... I'm a little bit confused...
Now I'm running the same turbine (same model and same setup) with MRF approach and it's giving me more or less the same torque (this is what I'm monitoring now).
But I'd like to investigate the problem more in detail. What I'd like to ask is:
Is it really correct use MRF for wind turbine? Maybe yes for Power result (considering my case) but for flow filed?
If I'd like to optimize the blade profile in order to obtain that one gives the best Power, can I use the MRF? (it will be very useful to reduce also the time of calculation).
But what I'm missing using MRF? Could I neglet it for my scope or are there other things I have to consider?
Otherwise, what is the correct method to do this in steady state? I don't want to do transient analysis.

Thanks for any suggestions

Andrea

[maddalena]

Hi Andrea...
maybe you can find this article interesting: http://www.cd-adapco.com/press_room/...cs/23/mrf.html
Enjoy

mad

[andrea.pasquali]

Hi Maddalena,
I got this article, I know it.
My torque with MRF approach is more or less the same with dynamic mesh.
I think I can use the MRF for my scope.

Thank you very much

Andrea

[prashant.A]

Well, if this was a vertical axis turbine, the MRF results may be doubted against the transient moving mesh approach.
However, your problem (horizontal axis) defines well with steady MRF and as you have also observed Torque loading matches, I think its safe to go ahead with it

[timo_IHS]

Hello Andrea,

if you have a big part of axial velocity in your rotating frame, you should use MRF, because it includes the velocity in absolute frame in the advection term and SRF only the velocity in rotating frame.

Greetz

[andrea.pasquali]

Hi,
after tested (well) my 3 blades wind turbine MRF vs Dynamic Mesh, I'm testing a sector of it with MRF and periodic BC (cyclic).
I modeled just 1 blade in a 120° sector. The side faces are cyclic.
What I can see now is two things:
First, 1 blade gives me less than 3 blades / 3 torque (but maybe this is due by the mesh resolution that is not good). I'll refine my model and test it again;
Second, more strange, you can see the picture attached (in red): at the end of cyclic patch I have a strange velocity field! Also this is due by the mesh resolution? Or by cyclic BC? I'm missing something in my setup?

Thanks for any help

Andrea

[s.q]

Originally Posted by andrea.pasquali

Hi,
I'd like to investigate better the Wind Turbine Analysis problem.
Before considering this problem I did a transient analysis using dynamic mesh and ggi (just to do a test and to try the ggi) with a horizontal 3 blades turbine.
Then I read many treads and reports about this problem and I found some people suggest to use dynamic mesh, others to use MRF, other not, others to use SRF (for low rpm), other to use also rotation BC and others to use Body Force Model ... I'm a little bit confused...
Now I'm running the same turbine (same model and same setup) with MRF approach and it's giving me more or less the same torque (this is what I'm monitoring now).
But I'd like to investigate the problem more in detail. What I'd like to ask is:
Is it really correct use MRF for wind turbine? Maybe yes for Power result (considering my case) but for flow filed?
If I'd like to optimize the blade profile in order to obtain that one gives the best Power, can I use the MRF? (it will be very useful to reduce also the time of calculation).
But what I'm missing using MRF? Could I neglet it for my scope or are there other things I have to consider?
Otherwise, what is the correct method to do this in steady state? I don't want to do transient analysis.

Thanks for any suggestions

Andrea

hi dear andrea
would you plz tell me how to use SRF in low speed wind turbines.
i,m simulating a wind turbine using fluent and its rotational speed is 12.1 rpm.