
[Sponsors] 
March 7, 2014, 14:48 
Urban Geometry External Flow: Convergence and Validation

#1 
Member
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 33
Rep Power: 4 
As a first time poster, I would like to preface this post by stating that I am relatively new to CFD, so I apologise in advance if my questions are trivial.
I've built an external flow model in StarCCM+ to simulate the flow around twin building configurations. Using the literature provided, I managed to get some nice initial values and boundary conditions but I'm concerned about their validity, given my inexperience. I've attached screenshots of the residuals and XY, XZ vector plots to accompany my queries. Firstly, boundary conditions: Wall for the ground+buildings, velocity inlet for the inlet, pressure outlet for the outlet and symmetry for the rest. Reasonable? The explanation of the function of some of the boundaries are a little hard to grasp, in terms of their applicability. I had trouble with convergence at first but then I changed the turbulent viscosity and turbulent intensity (I'm using a kepsilon model) to more reasonable values and it made a huge difference. However, I'm still troubled by the "flatlining" of the residuals, even though they've reduced by a considerable amount. Is this an acceptable convergence? I've even read in some places that a converged solution doesn't necessarily imply a correct one. How can I be confident that a simulation result is reasonable? I've read the documentation, but it's no substitute for a forum of wellinformed individuals... Cheers. P.S. Any reference to literature which acts as a "CFD for dummies" would also be appreciated... 

March 11, 2014, 12:47 

#2 
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 593
Rep Power: 10 
I would say your solution domain is a little small, but acceptable.
Are my results valid? is a good question, which begs another question  what makes a solution accurate? You need to compare your analysis with some quantities of interest  drag, lift, pressures, something. Your residuals look fine, but you need to also know if your engineering quantities are converging. 

March 14, 2014, 13:50 

#3  
Member
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 33
Rep Power: 4 
Quote:
My only problem with an independent engineering quantity in this case is that I'm not sure what would be appropriate. I've been monitoring scalar and vector plots during the simulation to see if they match up with other plots in the literature, flow separation, vortex generation etc. However, I don't think there is any quantity that can be numerically monitored in this case... 

March 14, 2014, 14:38 

#4 
Member
Anonymous
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Everywhere
Posts: 75
Rep Power: 6 
What is the goal? What is the purpose of running this study? Are you just trying to learn cfd?
I know I look at the residuals, but that is not what I use for convergence. I use whatever report/reports I am looking for in the simulation. For my internal flow problems, I look at my outlet mass flow rate most of the time for convergence. For external aerodynamic problems, I look at coefficient of drag and lift. 

March 14, 2014, 14:39 

#5 
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 593
Rep Power: 10 
Well, there's a few things you can do.
Try and search your literature for some kind of experimental data. Perhaps drag from scaled models, or pressure on the sides of a building? There has to be something. Furthermore, you can always monitor values just to see if they stop changing. Calculate a drag report or something similar, and see if it converges to a value. 

March 14, 2014, 15:49 

#6  
Member
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 33
Rep Power: 4 
Quote:
For different building configurations, there are specific flow characteristics which I am simply looking out for... Horseshoe vortices, rolled up vortices at building base with increased vorticity in downwind building etc... These are well defined in the literature... As I don't have anything numerical to monitor, my plan was just to let it run for a considerable number of iterations until the flow characteristics match that of previous studies. I keep the scalar and vector plots open and stop when: the residuals have converged and I'm satisfied that the flowfield is representative of what I'm expecting... 

March 14, 2014, 15:51 

#7  
Member
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 33
Rep Power: 4 
Quote:
Not very scientific, I know. I may look for numerical pressure data. That's a good suggestion. 

Thread Tools  
Display Modes  


Similar Threads  
Thread  Thread Starter  Forum  Replies  Last Post 
simpleFoam Validation in Urban Environment using AIJ guidelines (openCAE)  JR22  OpenFOAM Verification & Validation  30  July 23, 2014 09:07 
Turbulent flat plate validation, incorrect convergence  winter  SU2  3  November 7, 2013 19:17 
compressible channel flow..  R.D.Prabhu  Main CFD Forum  0  July 17, 1998 17:23 