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everdimension June 2, 2012 12:18

How to get rid of skewed elements while meshing a pipe with many interfacing surfaces

Here is an object that i want to perform analysis on:

Here is the geometry i made in design modeler. I had to slice it many times to be able to create 'sweeped method' mesh at those sections. I also made round corners where the fluid makes sharp turns. Then i applied virtual topology onto those corners so that the inflation is not interrupted there.

For some reason i get smooth and even inflation when i use "total thickness" method. Here is what you get: pic1 and pic2
It looks like a good mesh, but it has some bad elements. After playing with the inflation layers number and total thickness size the mesh was improved. After that i tried to raise the "Relevance" value. For some reason its effect cannot be predicted. I got best results at the relevance "20", "21" and "23" and other values just worsened the mesh severely. Also the result on one and the same value is not always the same after regenerating the mesh a few times.
The best parameters i got were
Min Orthgonal Quality: 0,152
Max Skewness: 0.9251

After improving skewness i was able to finally reach convergence in FLUENT but only at k-e turbulence model.

So I wish to improve the mesh more and i need help and advice.
Please, help :)
You may download my project here

Gweher June 4, 2012 02:29

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I had a quick look at your geometry, first do you have access to ICEM? If yes I should proceed with this meshing software as it allows you to create easily O-grids and permits more "control" than Ansys Meshing.

You can still create O-grid with AM, just split your inner pipe and assign mapped faces (I generate a coarse mesh just to show you the principle). You will have a far better mesh. I would also assign "sweep" methods to your parts, using source and target face in order to "help" the meshing software. I quickly split your geometry and created 2 O-grids. If you spend more time splitting your geometry you could improve your mesh metrics :)

everdimension June 4, 2012 04:51

Thank you for the reply!

Well, that looks very good, i didn't know about this method.
But how will the mesh behave at the 'branches' and at the 'turn' when the inflation is added? And as I understand you still cannot avoid tetra cells, and the parts where hexa cells transform to tetra are the most problematic ones.

And, hmm, how did you 'quickly' split the geometry like that? I can think of one way but it's really not quick...))

And I do not have ICEM, unfortunately.

Gweher June 4, 2012 20:17

Well for the splitting it took me 10-15min, but once you know how to do it it's quite easy and quick. You just need to split it like I showed it previously. I'm more familiar with ICEM but I use AM for simple geometries, and then use multizone to mesh more "complex" one with ICEM.

For the inflation layers I'm not sure how it will "behave" with AM, I should first assign sweep methods to your parts and then right click on that method and use "inflate this method". And as I said before, for me it's way easier to mesh your geometry with ICEM, but as you don't have it you should continue splitting your geometry into easier "meshable" sub-parts.

If I have some time, I'll try to find a way to mesh your geometry within AM.

everdimension June 5, 2012 15:41

Turns out i do have ICEM CFD! That was very pleasant to find out.

So i installed it, but obviously it is going to take some time learning how to use it. I really hope that in the end I would be able to mesh this model with high quality elements. I would be grateful for any kind of further tips.
Thank you, Gwenael, for looking into my model.

By the way, i was able to improve the mesh in Ansys Meshing even a little more just by adding same 'edge sizing' for all of the sweepable elements.The max skewness is now 0.899, min orthogonal quality is 0.159, but... The simple 'element quality' property is as low as 0.043. Do I understand correctly that this property is also important and it shouldn't be that low at all?

hwet October 2, 2014 23:45

minimum orthogonal quality of as low as 0.1 is acceptable

hwet October 2, 2014 23:45

you can also improve your mesh further in fluent by just a few clicks

Ata.tavakkoli September 13, 2016 12:01

Meshing Complex Geometry
Dear every body

i need help in meshing complex geometry
i have tried many options but still my calculation not converge
how i can send my geometry file to you ?

Kapi September 13, 2016 18:59

post pic of your geometry and settings u r using!

Ata.tavakkoli September 14, 2016 03:28

Pic of Geometry
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Dear Sir

please check picture i attached . the picture is taken from meching window , you can see setting which i made to . and skewness quality bars exist in bottom .


Kapi September 15, 2016 02:22

click on the bar to see which places have high skewness
then pick those faces/edges and give sizing on them. Make sure you use behavior as "Hard" in your sizing function

Ata.tavakkoli September 15, 2016 02:55

when i click on the skewness bars it does not show anything on geometry .
may i have to enable any option in setting ?

Kapi September 15, 2016 18:54

it should show, no settings for that
when you click on it, what does it show? can u take pic?

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