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Kwiaci June 9, 2012 08:52

y+ in practice
 
Hello,

Recently I have started meshing some simple geometries for heat-flow problems. I have encountered something like y+ coefficient. I understand basics of theory for this but I still have problems with usage of this. How should I use it?
If I have simple turbulent flow in a tube of given diameter how can I calculate mesh size for it using y+? Can anyone explain it to me in the easy way?

diamondx June 9, 2012 09:09

This can help you a lot :
http://www.cfd-online.com/Forums/flu...-diffuser.html

http://www.cfd-online.com/Forums/flu...h-correct.html

If yous search the forum in the y+ you will find a lot of threads about it.

everdimension June 9, 2012 12:53

I would also recommend reading this: http://tinyurl.com/bs6rla7

Kwiaci June 9, 2012 14:56

I am familiar with this article and OK, I understand for which turbulence what value of y+ should be used. But my question is how can I calculate size of the first cell next to the wall using this value and obtain size in mm?
I have found CFD Online y+ estimator and there is sth like boundary layer length - is this length of the entire boundary layer or just let's say length of the turbulent part? In the simple pipe will it be its length?

Ananthakrishnan June 9, 2012 18:33

Y+ should not ideally lie in the range of 5 to 30.. this is where laminar to turbulence transition takes place.
It should not lie in this range bcos capturing physics in the transition layer is quite a task in itself.
So i generally run the fluent for around 50 iterations and then check the Y+ value. If Y+ has to changed then i come back to my meshing software to redo the mesh as required (to either coarsen or refine)..may be you can try this procedure..
Concept of Y+ calculation can be read separately...

Sixkillers June 10, 2012 08:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kwiaci (Post 365622)
I am familiar with this article and OK, I understand for which turbulence what value of y+ should be used. But my question is how can I calculate size of the first cell next to the wall using this value and obtain size in mm?
I have found CFD Online y+ estimator and there is sth like boundary layer length - is this length of the entire boundary layer or just let's say length of the turbulent part? In the simple pipe will it be its length?

layer length is basically characteristic length. For a pipe it is usually its hydraulic diameter. For a flat plane it is its length and so on.


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