[ICEM] Elements with surface orientation problem

SH_P · May 21, 2012, 13:04

Dear freinds,

I am going to mesh a 3D model with ICEM. when I use only tetra elements I have no problem and Mesh checking process passes well.
But as soon as I create a layer of prism elements on walls, checking process says there are some elements with orientation problem. there are only 3-4 elements with this issue but I don't know how to fix them.
As it is shown in the picture they seem to be useless. Any way I can not simply delete them, as their faces remains.

Please help...

gashishr · May 22, 2012, 00:14

I am also facing same problem. Only solution I found is, reduce the prism layers and remesh!!!

SH_P · May 22, 2012, 00:29

Actually the problem arises only in the part of the model in which two surfaces are matching which is fairly a simple geometry (see the figure).
It is very weird that there is no such an error in other parts which are more complex. Does anybody else know anything about this?
Thanks...

SH_P · May 22, 2012, 00:51

Update: I have noticed that the problem is originated from the mesh without prism layer itself. As you can see in the picture, some of the elements on the top surface are not correctly captured from the geometry and this can cause problem when trying to mesh them with prism.
Now my question is that > Is it possible to manually assign as element to a specific "part" ; for example: assign specified elements to the outer wall instead of top wall?

Thanks...

Ralen · May 22, 2012, 01:27

Attach the project.

gashishr · May 22, 2012, 02:01

@SH_P, you should have curves extracted at the intersection then only you will get proper elements on top and side surfaces.

Far · May 22, 2012, 02:18

I agree with "gashishr"

SH_P · May 22, 2012, 02:43

Thanks gashishr and Far. You are great...!

yonchong · June 13, 2012, 08:27

I agreed that you should have lines between the surfaces and your geometry does not look very smooth. You might want to import the geometry using the Parasolid format.

However, you can move the element to different part:

Select Edit Mesh tab (if you are in Geometry tab you will be selecting geomtry).
Press the right button on the mouse at the part where you want to put the elements in.
Select elements and apply.

BrolY · June 14, 2012, 03:43

Simon created a "pdf" document which explain how to deal with this problem.
Search threads on this forum with the same problems, and you will find out the solution.

Anyway, reduce the edge criteron and increase the number of nodes on those edges should help a lot.
Another thing, always do a build topology before meshing, and check if your edges are good.

May 21, 2012, 13:04	Elements with surface orientation problem	#1
SH_P Member Soroush Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 52 Rep Power: 16	Dear freinds, I am going to mesh a 3D model with ICEM. when I use only tetra elements I have no problem and Mesh checking process passes well. But as soon as I create a layer of prism elements on walls, checking process says there are some elements with orientation problem. there are only 3-4 elements with this issue but I don't know how to fix them. As it is shown in the picture they seem to be useless. Any way I can not simply delete them, as their faces remains. Please help...

June 13, 2012, 08:27	Moving elements to a part	#9
yonchong Member Yon Han Chong Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 77 Rep Power: 13	I agreed that you should have lines between the surfaces and your geometry does not look very smooth. You might want to import the geometry using the Parasolid format. However, you can move the element to different part: Select Edit Mesh tab (if you are in Geometry tab you will be selecting geomtry). Press the right button on the mouse at the part where you want to put the elements in. Select elements and apply.

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May 22, 2012, 00:14		#2
gashishr New Member Ashish Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 5 Rep Power: 14	I am also facing same problem. Only solution I found is, reduce the prism layers and remesh!!!

May 22, 2012, 00:29		#3
SH_P Member Soroush Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 52 Rep Power: 16	Actually the problem arises only in the part of the model in which two surfaces are matching which is fairly a simple geometry (see the figure). It is very weird that there is no such an error in other parts which are more complex. Does anybody else know anything about this? Thanks...

May 22, 2012, 00:51		#4
SH_P Member Soroush Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 52 Rep Power: 16	Update: I have noticed that the problem is originated from the mesh without prism layer itself. As you can see in the picture, some of the elements on the top surface are not correctly captured from the geometry and this can cause problem when trying to mesh them with prism. Now my question is that > Is it possible to manually assign as element to a specific "part" ; for example: assign specified elements to the outer wall instead of top wall? Thanks...

May 22, 2012, 01:27		#5
Ralen Member Andrey Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 86 Rep Power: 16	Attach the project.

May 22, 2012, 02:01		#6
gashishr New Member Ashish Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 5 Rep Power: 14	@SH_P, you should have curves extracted at the intersection then only you will get proper elements on top and side surfaces.

May 22, 2012, 02:18		#7
Far Super Moderator Sijal Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Islamabad Posts: 4,553 Blog Entries: 6 Rep Power: 54	I agree with "gashishr"

May 22, 2012, 02:43		#8
SH_P Member Soroush Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 52 Rep Power: 16	Thanks gashishr and Far. You are great...!

June 14, 2012, 03:43		#10
BrolY Senior Member AB Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: France Posts: 323 Rep Power: 21	Simon created a "pdf" document which explain how to deal with this problem. Search threads on this forum with the same problems, and you will find out the solution. Anyway, reduce the edge criteron and increase the number of nodes on those edges should help a lot. Another thing, always do a build topology before meshing, and check if your edges are good.