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selvam2487 November 11, 2012 03:22

T Junction Meshing using ICEM CFD
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I am new to ANSYS and I am currently learning meshing in ICEM CFD for my work on T Junction based flows. I have a few questions

1. What is the purpose of an O Grid? Is it only used at the boundaries? where can I learn more about the application of an O Grid?

2. The quality of mesh in the T Junction (where the two pipes intersect) where the important physics needs to be captured is average (It's related to my lack of understanding and using the blocking function properly). I have also posted some pictures which display the mesh along with the quality histogram. Any suggestion on how to improve the meshing functionality and reducing errors would be welcome. Thanks in advance.

Far November 11, 2012 05:11

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selvam2487 November 11, 2012 06:33

thank you
Hello Mr. Far,

Thank you very much for your help. I think I understand the blocking strategy that you have implemented. I will try to do it and see what happens.


Far November 11, 2012 06:43

Just brief steps :

1. Create main block
2. split at the junction and then two splits on the two sides of small pipe and perpendicular to bigger pipe
3. delete two blocks on right and left of the small pipe
4. Make associations
5. snap vertices.
6. make o-grid inside the small small upto the large pipe's bottom. Select two extreme faces.
7. Make the O-grid for the larger pipe and again select the respective end faces.
8. go to edge mesh parameters and update all sizes and go to second tab and give size 2 and apply. Keep on applying until mesh size is at-least 20000 hexas
9.Check premesh.
10. One horizontal split in the large pipe.
11. Play with vertices location panel to adjust the blocking to higher quality.

Far November 11, 2012 14:35

Smooth mesh
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Smooth mesh after applying the elliptical solver.

selvam2487 November 12, 2012 06:12

Hello Mr. Far,

Could you please explain me as to what is the function of an O Grid? Also, when checking premesh quality histogram, the angles are not good? How to improve the angles in the mesh? Also, for this T junction geometry, what are the other Premesh quality criterion that should be checked?


Far November 12, 2012 06:28

Min angle is 32 and min quality is 0.6. which is good enough.

BrolY November 12, 2012 12:21

The O-Grid is very powerful because with this circular shape, O-Grid helps to have orthogonal cells around the circular shape.
Try to mesh a tube with, and without O-Grid, and it will be obvious ;)

Far November 12, 2012 12:32

Mesh quality is 0.6 in ICEM and min orthogonal quality is 0.5 in Fluent and after smoothing (orthogonality) min mesh quality is 0.28 in ICEM and min orthogonal quality is 0.6 in Fluent.

Why smoothness decreases quality in ICEM and enhances the quality in Fluent?

What is the relationship between ICEM quality and Fluent orthogonal quality?

BrolY November 12, 2012 13:00

ICEM help manual about the quality :

The quality is a weighted diagnostic between Determinant (between -1 and 1), Max Orthogls (normalized between -1 and 1; if deviation from orthogonality is greater than 90 degrees, then the normalized value will be smaller than 0) and Max Warpgls (normalized between 0 and 1; warpage of 0 degrees is 1, warpage of 180 degrees is 0). The minimum of the 3 normalized diagnostics will be used.

When you do orthogonal smoothing, you increase the orthogonal quality, but maybe, it also decreases the quality of your determinant.

I guess Simon could help us on that.

Far November 12, 2012 13:06

Check this Figure.

Can you tell me which quality he is talking about?

Ralen November 26, 2012 08:16

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Another idea.
1. Split selected block.
2. Split selected block.
3. Delete default associations of six edges and associate them to surface.
4. Snap Project Vertices.

Ralen November 26, 2012 08:18

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5. Create O-Grid with all blocks and faces of three ends.

Far November 26, 2012 10:03

can you share the files?

By the way excellent comeback.

Far November 26, 2012 10:49

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Ralen method is simple and somehow giving better quality and good looking mesh with few splits as you can see in attached pics(Mine in this post and Ralen' idea in next post.

My method:

Far November 26, 2012 10:51

Ralen's Method
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Here are the images from Ralen's Method:

Ralen November 27, 2012 01:17

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vansyle February 24, 2013 22:09

Hi Ralen,
The link is died, could you please upload again? Thank you very much!

YoungMan November 1, 2016 19:35

Hello everyone, I this thread hasn't been used in two years but I would really appreciate it if someone could post a mesh file for a Tee junction for openfoam. It would really help with my work!

Far November 2, 2016 10:26

check these videos and you will find mesh and icem cfd files in description. if not i will provide you.

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