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 king lui February 16, 2010 15:24

Wrong orientation of boundary layer in 3D

Hello everybody,

I want to do a 3-dimensional analysis in Fluent and the most important part of my assembly is a cylinder.
The problem is in Gambit when I want to create a boundary layer around my cylinder, that Gambit creates it just inside the cylinder which is a solid body and for my problem of an external flow I need the boundary layer obviously on the outer surface of the body.

Maybe someone could help me and knows what can I do that my boundary layer is on the outer surface.

 -mAx- February 17, 2010 02:04

Except if you need keeping the solid domain, you may delete it. Then your problem disappear, because only the fluid domain remains.
Else you can click on middle button of your mouse for switching BL-direction

 king lui February 17, 2010 05:25

Hey Max,

thanks for your help but i tried this already. I subtracted my cylinder from the rest of the domain and specified it as a wall the rest of the domain is a fluid but it still doesnīt work, my boundary layer ist still inside the cylinder and i canīt choose the direction.

 -mAx- February 17, 2010 05:56

If your cylinder has a thickness, and you substracted it, then your cylinder may have one adjacent domain: the fluid.
You can post a picture

 king lui February 17, 2010 06:26

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Yes, and i thought then if there is just one adjacent domain, the boundary layer should be in the fluid domain. on the picture there are two cylinders, just consider the inner one (smaller) the other one is just an interior.

 -mAx- February 17, 2010 07:01

if your problem is symmetric, work with one quater of your domain.
if it is not symmetric, split your dommain into 4 domains.
The split planes will resolve your issue
Hope it helps

 king lui February 17, 2010 14:58

Unfortunately it isnīt a symmetric problem. And also to split the domain into 4 domains wasnīt successful...

Is there maybe an alternative to create the boundary layer manual?

 -mAx- February 17, 2010 15:10

Quote:
 Originally Posted by king lui (Post 246349) Unfortunately it isnīt a symmetric problem. And also to split the domain into 4 domains wasnīt successful... Is there maybe an alternative to create the boundary layer manual?
Splitting along (xz) and (yz) works: I reproduced your geometry and tested it ;)
If you still have problem you can provide me your geometry, I will described you how to proceed

 king lui February 17, 2010 15:20

This would be great...

I created my geometry in mm,

so the ellipse has a length of 10000mm (x) a height of 6000mm (y) and a depth of 12000mm (z). The cylinder which is used as a interior has a diameter of 600mm and a depth of 12000mm. The cylinder which is the wall has a diameter of 300mm and a depth of 9000mm, the cylinder is always moved into the middle of the domain (1500mm in z-direction)

 -mAx- February 17, 2010 15:28

we are agree that the 300mm diameter-cylinder is considered as a hole and you want to attach the BL around its outter surfaces, right?

 king lui February 17, 2010 15:35

Yes exactly, thats right.

 -mAx- February 18, 2010 02:37

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Ok as I said yesterday, you can create a plane (yz) (20000x20000) and a plane (xz) (20000x200000)
Split all the volumes with those planes --> your domain will be splitted into quarter.
Then you can create your BL.

 king lui February 19, 2010 10:56

I tried your method and it works finally. Thank you very much for your help, without that I would have much more trouble because of this problem.

Thank you:D:D:D

 king lui February 19, 2010 12:53

Now I have the next problem:(

The orientation of the boundary layer and anything works but when I mesh my volume around the boundary layer the following error occurs:

ERROR: Currently, 3D boundary layers are limited to flat face groups
with END conditions around the boundary. The problems occur in volume...
along the following edges: Edge...

You can turn the MESH.VOLUME. USE_3D_Boundary_Layers default off
and try again.

I tried already to turn the default off, but the error still occurs.
And as I saw from your picture you had not this problem.

Maybe you have an idea to solve also this problem?

Sorry for bothering you:o

 king lui February 19, 2010 14:57

Okay, I solved this problem now, but anyway thank you.

 samer March 9, 2010 10:55

hello every body
the problem consists of a cylindre and an interior sphere, i can't create the boundary layer at the exterior side of the sphere, it also created at the interio side.
I substract the 2 volumes and i make a split with a plane and also the same probleme

 -mAx- March 10, 2010 02:22

Do you need to keep the sphere (solid conduction?)?
If not delete the sphere, the outter surface should remain, and retry applying a BL.

 samer March 10, 2010 10:13

Thanks MAX
But the problem that the sphere and the cylinder are one volume(because i subtracted the shere from the cylinder)

Quote:
 Originally Posted by samer (Post 249173) hello every body the problem consists of a cylindre and an interior sphere, i can't create the boundary layer at the exterior side of the sphere, it also created at the interio side. I substract the 2 volumes and i make a split with a plane and also the same probleme

 -mAx- March 10, 2010 10:49

post a picture with your BL

 rohitjvbibin April 2, 2011 07:11

Quote:
 Originally Posted by king lui (Post 246627) Now I have the next problem:( The orientation of the boundary layer and anything works but when I mesh my volume around the boundary layer the following error occurs: ERROR: Currently, 3D boundary layers are limited to flat face groups with END conditions around the boundary. The problems occur in volume... along the following edges: Edge... You can turn the MESH.VOLUME. USE_3D_Boundary_Layers default off and try again. I tried already to turn the default off, but the error still occurs. And as I saw from your picture you had not this problem. Maybe you have an idea to solve also this problem? Sorry for bothering you:o

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Hey can you tell me how to turn it off default....Where can i find the option..I also tried to volume mesh my helical geometry but this 3d boundary layer problem persists....No matter what size i provide...

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