CFD Online Logo CFD Online URL
www.cfd-online.com
[Sponsors]
Home > Forums > Software User Forums > Siemens

absolute negative pressure????

Register Blogs Community New Posts Updated Threads Search

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old   October 27, 2003, 01:35
Default absolute negative pressure????
  #1
john
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Hi All,

I have simulated a flow in a closed channel involving water. But to my surprise I am getting -ve absolute pressure at many locations which is weird. Can anybody tell where things went wrong, if anybody faced similar problem before....

Thank you.

John
  Reply With Quote

Old   October 27, 2003, 04:25
Default Re: absolute negative pressure????
  #2
Anton Lyaskin
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
May be in the real flow there should be cavitation?
  Reply With Quote

Old   October 27, 2003, 05:20
Default Re: absolute negative pressure????
  #3
john
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Thanks a lot Anton for your reply. But I did not understand the basis of your conclusion of cavitation. Do you mean to say if the cavitation model is not on the code has no other option than putting -ve presure values to satisfy continuity equation? Let me know if I am absolutely wrong or any other logic is there. Thanks again. - John
  Reply With Quote

Old   October 27, 2003, 06:50
Default Re: absolute negative pressure????
  #4
Anton Lyaskin
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
The code dosn't care about ABSOLUTE pressure (in case of incompressible flow) - it deals with RELATIVE pressure. So from the point of view of mathematics your solution is correct - your pressure field does satisfy the continuity equation, because it's written for relative pressure, and there are no limitations for it. So you don't need to turn on cavitation model to satisfy the continuity.

But from the point of view of physics, absolute pressure in liquid can not be lower than some certain value (saturation pressure). Basicaly, all of your regions with negative absolute pressure will correspond to cavitation bubbles filled with saturated vapour (this is a bib-bib-big oversimplifaction).
  Reply With Quote

Old   December 11, 2014, 08:06
Smile Negative absolute pressure for air
  #5
Member
 
Nazim
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 93
Rep Power: 12
shahid nadeem is on a distinguished road
Dear Friends,
I Would Like to share my experience regarding negative pressure.
i am solving a Perforated Pipe Distributor, the flow enters at atmospheric pressure and exits through the holes to the vaccum vessel maintained at 1 Pa.
The inlet area is 1500 mm and at the outlet there are 16600 number of holes of 10 mm diameter each.

After post processing i am getting a negative absolute pressure of -1358 Pa i am wondering how can there be a negative absolute pressure. WHether it is possible in vaccum conditions or is there any error in solving, if you have any idea please help me.

The Gas is Incompressiblel air at 333
Inlet: 33.33 Kg/s
Outlet 1 Pa
shahid nadeem is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   December 11, 2014, 12:08
Default
  #6
Senior Member
 
Pauli
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 189
Rep Power: 17
Pauli is on a distinguished road
Switch you gas to air - ideal gas.
Pauli is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   December 12, 2014, 00:18
Smile
  #7
Member
 
Nazim
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 93
Rep Power: 12
shahid nadeem is on a distinguished road
Yes Sir even i think so but can you little explain me why you are thinking it should be compressible consideration because inlet mach number is 0.25, but i agree at the outlet there is a sudden expansion due to vaccum pressure of 1 pa.

Thank You
shahid nadeem is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Negative Absolute Pressure mike FLUENT 8 December 18, 2014 03:50
Negative Absolute Pressure Doug FLUENT 4 December 11, 2014 07:07
NEGATIVE ABSOLUTE PRESSURE IN FLUENT vitmalin FLUENT 0 September 28, 2006 23:48
Negative absolute pressure ??? Rams FLUENT 0 June 2, 2006 11:49
avoiding negative absolute pressure!!! Tania FLUENT 8 March 30, 2004 18:41


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 15:08.