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Hamilton January 10, 2014 00:06

Variable Composition Mixture
 
Dear friends,
I am simulating the smoke in air using Variable Composition Mixture. My problem has one inlet and one outlet. Unfortunately after converging the problem when I see the mass fraction of smoke in post process, the smoke in inlet is suddenly eliminated, please help me what is the fault?

Regards

ghorrocks January 12, 2014 05:58

Can you post an image of what you are seeing and your CCL?

Hamilton January 15, 2014 04:22

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Dear Glenn
Thanks for the consideration, I have uploaded a contour of mass fraction, as it is obvious the mass fraction at the inlet suddenly is vanished. Please help me in fact this problem is very important for me.

Regards

ghorrocks January 15, 2014 05:48

What does the flow vectors look like? Is the simulation converged? Has it run for enough pseudo time? If your time is too short that might be as far as the inlet fluid has got in the time you have run.

Hamilton January 15, 2014 08:20

Dear Glenn
Yes the problem is converged and the velocity vectors are good. In fact I have tried both "Additional Variables" and "Variable Composition Mixture" methods and this fault is occurred in both methods. What do you mean by this sentence "If your time is too short that might be as far as the inlet fluid has got in the time you have run" would you please define more?

Regards

ghorrocks January 15, 2014 16:36

CFX uses a psuedo transient approach for steady state simulations. That means that the fluid is convects from the inlet to the outlet in a fashion similar to a true transient flow. So if you start with initial condition AV=0 everywhere and AV=1 at the inlet, it will take some time for the AV to convect through the domain and reach the outlet, and a bit more time to establish equilibrium (ie achieve steady state convergence).

This convection process is often not well captured by the residuals. The best way to check that you have converged in this case is to add the imbalances as a convergence criteria. This is because the imbalances will pick this up as an imbalance in the AV.

So you say the problem is converged - have you checked the imbalances? I suggest you have not converged yet and the imbalance for the AV equation will be poor.

Hamilton January 16, 2014 05:06

Dear Glenn
Yes in fact the imbalance is poor, what should be done to have a good imbalance?
Does AV is the abbreviation of Additional Variables or not?
In fact I have simulated with initial value of mass fraction other than zero (for example 0.04) but this fault was still observed unfortunately.

Regards

ghorrocks January 16, 2014 07:18

Poor imbalances means you have not converged yet. You need to run the simulation longer.

By AV I mean additional variable.

If your simulation is not converged (and poor imbalances means it is not converged) then do not worry about what it is giving for results. Until it is converged the results are rubbish.

safikhani_hamed January 16, 2014 08:16

Thank you very much glenn for very good guidance and sorry for consuming your time let me ask you the final question. In new simulations do you believe in that larger pseudo time should be used? How can I reach the pseudo time value and does the pseudo time the same as time scale ? now the time scale is set on " auto time scale" should I set the time scale on "Physical time scale" or "Local" time scale? How can I calculate the appropriate value of time scale?

Regards

ghorrocks January 16, 2014 17:03

This is discussed in the documentation on obtaining convergence, and this FAQ: http://www.cfd-online.com/Wiki/Ansys...gence_criteria

Hamilton January 16, 2014 23:27

Thank you very much glenn for very good guidance, in fact I changed the time scale and the mass fraction shows very good distribution.

Sincerely


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