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Hamilton January 18, 2014 04:32

Separation of phases in Variable Composition Mixture
 
Dear friends,
I have a question about Variable Composition Mixture (VCM) model. The composition of phases in this method (VCM) how can be changed ? In fact I simulated a flow containing two phase with different molar mass in a rotating geometry but the composition of phases did not change.

Regards

ghorrocks January 19, 2014 04:56

It can be changed by interaction with fluid with a different composition (then you will get convection and diffusion effects), source terms and phase change.

How can you have two phases with different molar masses? Can you explain that please?

Hamilton January 19, 2014 05:45

Dear Glenn
In fact I have prepared a new material using Variable Composition Mixture model which is contained two gases with different molar mass. The geometry is rotating and I expected that the gases be separated from each other due to centrifugal force but it is not occurred.

Regards

Hamilton January 23, 2014 12:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghorrocks (Post 470712)
It can be changed by interaction with fluid with a different composition (then you will get convection and diffusion effects), source terms and phase change.

How can you have two phases with different molar masses? Can you explain that please?

Dear Glenn
In fact I have prepared a new material using Variable Composition Mixture model which is contained two gases with different molar mass. The geometry is rotating and I expected that the gases be separated from each other due to centrifugal force but it is not occurred.

Regards

Opaque January 23, 2014 20:21

Dear Hamilton,

Separation of species within a multicomponent fluid due to pressure gradient cannot be modeled using ANSYS CFX. If you look at the documentation for the transport equation for species, you will see that there is no "pressure diffusion" contribution included in the species mass flux.

You can find the details of the pressure diffusion contribution in transport phenomena books such as Stewart, Bird and Lighfoot's book ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_Phenomena_(book) ). There are some copies on the Internet such as:

http://www.icheh.com/Files/Posts/Por...2ed-part-2.pdf

See page 769, Eqn 24-2-8.

or the following presentation by Pietro Asinari ( http://staff.polito.it/pietro.asinar...Part1_v1.5.PDF )

See slide 33.

Hope the above helps

Hamilton January 24, 2014 00:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Opaque (Post 471533)
Dear Hamilton,

Separation of species within a multicomponent fluid due to pressure gradient cannot be modeled using ANSYS CFX. If you look at the documentation for the transport equation for species, you will see that there is no "pressure diffusion" contribution included in the species mass flux.

You can find the details of the pressure diffusion contribution in transport phenomena books such as Stewart, Bird and Lighfoot's book ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_Phenomena_(book) ). There are some copies on the Internet such as:

http://www.icheh.com/Files/Posts/Por...2ed-part-2.pdf

See page 769, Eqn 24-2-8.

or the following presentation by Pietro Asinari ( http://staff.polito.it/pietro.asinar...Part1_v1.5.PDF )

See slide 33.

Hope the above helps



Dear Opaque,
Thank you very much for very good guidance, sorry for consuming your time, let me ask you two questions:
1- Is it possible to add a subroutine to CFX for containing the centrifugal force? (solving the modified transport equation)
2- Do you know the other CFD software such as FLUENT has this limitation or not? I mean does fluent contain the centrifugal force term in the transport equation?

Regards

Antanas November 28, 2014 03:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hamilton (Post 471544)
Dear Opaque,
Thank you very much for very good guidance, sorry for consuming your time, let me ask you two questions:
1- Is it possible to add a subroutine to CFX for containing the centrifugal force? (solving the modified transport equation)
2- Do you know the other CFD software such as FLUENT has this limitation or not? I mean does fluent contain the centrifugal force term in the transport equation?

Regards

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