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heydari July 30, 2015 15:40

increase the mesh and change in results?
 
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Hello:
Why increase the mesh, the results are far from the reality?
Of course, after every picture you can see, the results
Especially in right side of semi-cylinder on the the experimental results distances!

Opaque July 30, 2015 15:46

What do you mean by increasing the mesh ?

What are you increasing ? Your images from left to right are increasing the mesh element size, not the mesh element count.

heydari July 30, 2015 16:22

What is the difference between the element size and element count there? And what to do with my question?

ghorrocks July 30, 2015 18:29

I do not understand your question either. Can you write it again more clearly?

heydari July 31, 2015 01:09

hi;
I have some exprimental data. After each of these conditions mesh changed .Data modeling has been compared with the results. In the next section of the half cylinder is not good results. And every time fine mesh results more Different. Why? What should I do?

ghorrocks July 31, 2015 01:15

That means your mesh is not fine enough to achieve adequate mesh insensitivity. You need a finer mesh still. It is normal for the results to jump around when the mesh is way too coarse.

This assumes that the remainder of your simulation is correct, of course.

heydari July 31, 2015 01:37

Dear ghorrocks;
With the increase in the fine mesh model can be meshed together in the third dimension. While I'm a two-dimensional model. (1 mm thick two-dimensional model. The maximum length of 5 meters is my model).

ghorrocks July 31, 2015 01:43

I do not understand your last comment.

Also flow over a cylinder has regimes where it is three dimensional. If you model a three dimensional flow with a two dimensional model you will get unpredictable results. Are you sure a two dimensional model is appropriate for the flow regime you are in?

heydari July 31, 2015 01:58

High time software solution, I decided to do a two-dimensional model. Is this wrong?

ghorrocks July 31, 2015 02:32

If you are saying you chose to do a two dimensional simulation of a three dimensional flow because the simulation time was too long - if you want an accurate answer then yes, that is wrong.

heydari July 31, 2015 02:48

Why wrong? More Info
Your suggestion to solve this problem?

heydari July 31, 2015 02:50

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Originally Posted by ghorrocks (Post 557788)
If you are saying you chose to do a two dimensional simulation of a three dimensional flow because the simulation time was too long - if you want an accurate answer then yes, that is wrong.

Why wrong? More Info
Your suggestion to solve this problem?

ghorrocks July 31, 2015 02:51

Desmond is right. If you change your flow conditions to one where it is a two dimensional flow (possibly by reducing the flow velocity) then you can do a two dimensional model. There are good results to compare against for this flow, so it is a good benchmark simulation to make sure you can do an accurate simulation before taking on the more difficult three dimensional simulation.

ghorrocks July 31, 2015 03:01

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Why wrong? More Info
If you model a 3D flow with a 2D model you have unphysically constrained the flow. Your simulation will have an error, and it will probably be large.

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Your suggestion to solve this problem?
That is pretty obvious, isn't it? Model it in 3D.

heydari July 31, 2015 03:02

thanks alot


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