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cysanghavi August 16, 2016 10:05

CFX Warning Error
 
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Hi,
I am running a CHT transient Simulation and trying to model the Radiation losses.
I include the Monte carlo Radiation model for modeling the Radiation losses.
I get a warning:
In Analysis 'Flow Analysis 1' - Domain Interface 'Default Fluid Solid Interface': At least one domain coupled to this interface is either a solid domain with radiation or has a laminar fluid flow with radiation. When such a domain is coupled by an interface with a Heat Transfer Interface Model, accuracy issues can arise with calculating the temperature of the wall.

What does it mean with accuracy issues. ?
I fail to understand. The Radiation model is for the solid Domain.
I have a laminar flow.

I include Radiation model aas below:

Attachment 49900.

ghorrocks August 17, 2016 08:22

Please do not post multiple identical posts. If people are not answering your post think about why not - and improve your question. Do not just post the same thing all over again. I have removed the duplicate post.

Your problem is from something in how you set up your model. I cannot tell what from the simple information you have posted.

But before you consider that - do you really need the Monte Carlo radiation model? Would the Discrete Transfer model be adequate? In fact, would a heat sink on the surface of the body with the simple radiation heat transfer equation be enough? Then you don't need to model radiation at all.

cysanghavi August 17, 2016 08:35

Sorry for duplication. I got a message yesterday, that I posted in the wrong Forum and my post is deleted. So I reposted.
I would be careful next time about this. Thanks for notifying this.

1. I want to model Radiation of a solid surface which is at a consireably high temp. (600K). See how it cools with time.
In solids I only have a Monte carlo Option for Radiation modeling.
The only other way I could think is using a CEL to model q = σ T4 -T04 A.

ghorrocks August 17, 2016 20:10

Does the radiatitive heat pass through the solid? In other words, is the solid transparent (or at least partially transparent)? I am not referring to the conducted heat here, just the radiation.

Or does it just pass through the air and heat the surface of the solid?

cysanghavi August 18, 2016 03:12

Cht
 
Ahhhhh... Now I get your point. Your question answers my question. !!
I am stupid.
My material is silicon carbide which is opaque. So I would probably not need a radiation model for the solid. I will check with the emissivity coefficient for silicon carbide.
For a radiative model heat loss in a fluid model, I think the losses are high since the temp is high in the range of 600K.
So I would use a discrete transfer model for heat losses for this model and check the model how it works.
I guess analytical calculations also work.

ghorrocks August 18, 2016 03:20

The analytical calc will work fine providing surfaces do not irradiate other surfaces significantly. In the flutes of the drill (I assume it is a drill) this probably will happen so that means you will need the discrete transfer model.

Either way, this is a zillion times easier than with the Monte Carlo model.

cysanghavi August 18, 2016 03:43

Perfect analysis!!

For my case, the flutes of the drill are not at conisderably high temperatures.
I guess I can neglect radation losses in this region.
Only the cutting edge of the drill is at a high temperature.
Thus it would be a good idea to analytically evaluate. or use discrete transfer model.

The problem is I cannot include radiative losses without creating a fluid domain of the surrounding air where it loses heat.
I can model convective losses to the surrounding air by HTc BC.

So I guess, Using a CEL expression to combine this convective and radiative losses will make more sense unless you know of some other way. !

ghorrocks August 18, 2016 07:08

A CEl expression to combine convection and radiation is easy and works fine. If this is an appropriate boundary condition then I would use it.


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