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Sunny Chitti July 10, 2017 14:21

How to Calculate added body mass?
 
Can anyone tell me how to calculate added body mass in water using CFX? Thank you.

ghorrocks July 10, 2017 18:24

I do not know what added body mass in water is. Please explain what you are talking about.

Sunny Chitti July 11, 2017 02:05

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Originally Posted by ghorrocks (Post 656539)
I do not know what added body mass in water is. Please explain what you are talking about.

When you place a body in fluid, there will be a certain amount of mass added to body due to surrounding fluid. It is called added body mass.

ghorrocks July 11, 2017 02:10

I still do not understand what you are talking about. If I have a brick which is 4kg mass and I put it in water then the brick is still 4kg mass. So what is added body mass?

BlnPhoenix July 11, 2017 03:34

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Originally Posted by Sunny Chitti (Post 656552)
When you place a body in fluid, there will be a certain amount of mass added to body due to surrounding fluid. It is called added body mass.

Do you mean Virtual Mass Force? It's for accelerated masses and only significant under certain conditions.

urosgrivc July 11, 2017 04:25

I must say that I also dont undestand vhat you meen.
Are you simulating some kind of porous solid or vhat?

Sunny Chitti July 12, 2017 21:30

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Originally Posted by urosgrivc (Post 656589)
I must say that I also dont undestand vhat you meen.
Are you simulating some kind of porous solid or vhat?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Added_mass

Sunny Chitti July 12, 2017 21:30

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Originally Posted by BlnPhoenix (Post 656568)
Do you mean Virtual Mass Force? It's for accelerated masses and only significant under certain conditions.

Yes, virtual mass and added mass are same. I am working on a accelerating body.

Sunny Chitti July 12, 2017 21:32

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Originally Posted by ghorrocks (Post 656539)
I do not know what added body mass in water is. Please explain what you are talking about.

https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/mechanic...05reading6.pdf

urosgrivc July 13, 2017 00:49

Yes but this only aplies if you are calculating it by hand, a simplification to vhat a real CFD simulation is capable of. As I undarstand this shouldnt even be caled added mass but apparent (or virtual yes) added mass and in a transient fluid simulation all this is calculated with the simulation as this doesent exist. Only mass flow, energy conservation and pressure and others matter beacause this ˝vitrual mass˝ is derived from flow properties on or near the wals of an object like velocity, pressure, density and others which are calculated betven milions of nodes you are just not capable to compute by hand.

Just put an empty void in the fluid (where solid is located) accelerate the walls of this ˝apparent solid˝ make it a transient and monitor the force on the wals it is actualy that simple let the computer do the rest of the computational work for you. Make sure that your timesteps are not too long as force walues will than be wrong because of incorect flow properties.

karachun June 22, 2018 02:42

It is not CFD but FEA problem, in many FEA packages you can mark some faces of elements as 'underwater', set water free surface position and program will include virtual mass at dynamic analysis. It is widely used in shipbuilding, the difference in eigenvalues can be more than 100%.


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