Hi Burken,
Interesting project! The obvious question to ask is the pressure difference or the coefficients available in the literature? Has someone already done the experiment or CFD and published the data? Could you get the answer by simplifying? E.g. 1. Simulate a very small pipe with the net in the middle (physically draw the net, include it in your geometry, and grid it up and run the CFD) 2. Set the Re number in the pipe to be the same order of magnitude as the Re in the channel 3. Get the pressure loss or coefficients across the net 4. Use the results from point 3 to do a full channel simulation with the net as the porous media |
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We are trying to design a net now instead to simulate our problem. We decided that it would be easier to just ignore the idea of using membrane and just go with a drawn net instead. |
Interesting!
I found this interesting! Since you are going to simulate the flow over the net by drawing them, I hope you have some results now.
But to simulate bigger nets for example trawl nets, it is very difficult and computationally expensive when you draw a net. Do you have mind to share some literature if you have, on considering net as a porous membrane? Thank you. |
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Hi Sk11! I did create the geometry for the net by drawing it, but as you already know it is computational heavy. The computers at my university was way to slow to mesh a 30*30 cm^2 net so that idea was scrapped. Instead we created a porous medium where the permeability and porousity was determined by JuPa's method by simulating a single netmask. The flow of the medium had to be converted for the smaller channel (flow to velocity with respect to the smaller cross sectional area). Unfortunately my school does not keep files on the computers older than a certain date, so I don't have any result files anymore. Also, we focused on the behavior of the net (deformation and forces acting upon it) and not so much on the behavior of the flow through the net. The reason was that the PIV pump to visualize the flow at my university was broken so we couldn't compare experimental flow from a real channel with CFD simulations. If you plan to do the same kind of simulations, i recomend you to do the same step (JuPa's method) with simulations of a single netmask in order to find the permeability for your porous domain. The best book I know of the topic is "Handbook of hydraulic resistance", written by Idelchik. https://www.amazon.com/Handbook-Hydr.../dp/156700251X I don't recall the chapter, but the author has a chapter with a lot of necessary information about net, like permeability. I think he has formulas for calculating variables like permeability, but he calls it something else. Like friction resistance coefficient or something like that. I hope I have answered your question to your satisfaction. sorry for bad english. /Burken |
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Thank you for your fast response and the reference. I am more into the flow through and over the trawling net even though the final motive is to accurately predict the behavior of the net. I was aiming to use openFoam for the cfd calculations but I don't know upto what extent the flow through porous media are developed in Openfoam. I will have a look at the book you have referred. Thanks again Sarath |
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I hope you can acchieve it yourself. I would really like to know how to simulate it if you manage to do it! /Burken |
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