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Paresh Jain February 10, 2004 09:26
Error message: Insufficient Catalogue Size
 
Hi friends, i m new user of cfx 5.6 while running a simulation with multiple subdomains, i m getting the following error. please guide me how to solve this.

*** INSUFFICIENT CATALOGUE SIZE *** | | Action required : Increase the file catalogue size. | If the situation persists please contact the CFX Customer Helpline | | giving the following details:- | | Current catalogue size: 78925

i tried running this simulations many times. all the time it gave the same error but the detailes of error were different all the times like

Details of error:- 1. Error detected by routine MAKLNK COLDNM = /FLOW/PHYSICS/ZN1 CNEWNM = /FLOW/GETVAR/PHYS_ZONE_DIR CRESLT = FCAT

2.Error detected by routine MAKLNK CDANAM = CELIWRK CDTYPE = INTR ISIZE = 4 CRESLT = FCAT

please help me. i will be highly thankful to u all.

Sincerely waiting for some help this time.

Paresh Jain

Glenn Horrocks February 10, 2004 16:19
re: Error message: Insufficient Catalogue Size
 
Hi Paresh,

Try increasing the memory available to the solver. In solver manager, click on "Show Advanced Controls", then the Solver tab, and increase the number in the solver allocation factor. By default it is 1, try increasing it by 20% (or whatever increase is required to make it work!). You can increase it by 20% by entering "1.2x".

Glenn

Paresh Jain February 10, 2004 23:56
re: Error message: Insufficient Catalogue Size
 
Hello Glenn, i tried increasing the memory allocation factor for solver to as much as 10 but its not working. The simulation starts for 1st iteration and then gives the same error. What may be the cause of this error ? and how can it be solved ?

Thanks in Advance for ur help.

Sincere Regards Paresh Jain

Pascale Fonteijn February 11, 2004 16:01
re: Error message: Insufficient Catalogue Size
 
Something physically is incorrect in your simulation. It could be anything. Thus, please provide more info to this global helpdesk or consult you local CFX-helpdesk.

Pascale

Glenn Horrocks February 11, 2004 16:20
re: Error message: Insufficient Catalogue Size
 
Hi Paresh,

I think Pascale is right. There is something wrong in the setup of your simulation. We might be able to work out the problem if you can show us your output file (Try not to make it too big for the web - only put the relevant bits if it is large).

Glenn

Paresh Jain February 12, 2004 03:39
re: Error message: Insufficient Catalogue Size
 
Hello Glenn and Pascale, Thank you for your concern. I m giving the details in brief. I am simulation Gas-Liquid Reaction in a Packed Bed Reactor.

Domain cylinder L=0.3 m, D=0.2 m, Liquidphase+Gasphse Gasphase (dispersed phase D=0.005 m) liquidphase (continuous phase)

Liquidphase= X (transport equation) + S (constraint) Gasphase= CO2, O2, Water Vap at 25 C (transport equations) + N2 (constraint)

Reaction is 2S + 0.8 O2 ==> X + 1.1 H2O + CO2

Based on the physics and reaction in particular, i am using 10 subdomains to define sink and source terms in the continuity equation of the phases and inturn for species involved in reaction. I think the problem is with these many number of subdomains only. (though i have set the environmental variable GTM_BETA_ALLOW_SUBDOMAIN_OVERLAP=1, in Pre it gives BLUE colored error that u have used same region more than once but still it allows to write .def file. But solver does exit after 1st iteration. So please look into the problem. I am providing you some part of .out file. (domain detail, boundary conditions, 3 subdomains, solver parameters)

Code:
MATERIAL : S Liquid Density = 700 [kg m^-3] Molar Mass = 30 [kg kmol^-1] MATERIAL : X Liquid Density = 1000 [kg m^-3]Molar Mass = 21.8 [kg kmol^-1]

EXECUTION CONTROL :

PARTITIONER STEP CONTROL :

Runtime Priority = Standard

MEMORY CONTROL :

Memory Allocation Factor = 1

END

END

SOLVER STEP CONTROL :

Runtime Priority = Standard

EXECUTABLE SELECTION :

Double Precision = Off

Use 64 Bit = Off

END

MEMORY CONTROL :

Memory Allocation Factor = 5

END

PARALLEL ENVIRONMENT :

Option = Serial

Parallel Mode = PVM

FLOW :

SIMULATION TYPE : Transient

TIME DURATION :

Option = Total Time

Timesteps = 0.2 [s]

Total Time = 10 [s]

END

END

DOMAIN : PBR

Coord Frame = Coord 0

Domain Type = Fluid

Fluids List = Gasphase,Liquidphase

Location = PBR

DOMAIN MODELS :

BUOYANCY MODEL :

Buoyancy Reference Density = 1.17 [kg m^-3]

Gravity X Component = 0 [m s^-2]

Gravity Y Component = 0 [m s^-2]

Gravity Z Component = -9.81 [m s^-2]

Option = Buoyant

END

DOMAIN MOTION :

Option = Stationary

END

REFERENCE PRESSURE :

Reference Pressure = 101325 [Pa]

FLUID MODELS :

HEAT TRANSFER MODEL :

Option = Thermal Energy

TURBULENCE MODEL :

Homogeneous Model = Off

Option = Fluid Dependent

END

END

MASS TRANSFER :

Option = None

END

MOMENTUM TRANSFER :

DRAG FORCE :

Option = Schiller Naumann

END

TURBULENT DISPERSION FORCE :

Option = None

END

END TURBULENCE TRANSFER :

ENHANCED TURBULENCE PRODUCTION MODEL :

Option = None

END

END

END

FLUID : Gasphase

TURBULENCE MODEL :

Option = Dispersed Phase Zero Equation FLUID : Liquidphase

TURBULENCE MODEL :

Option = k epsilon

END

TURBULENT WALL FUNCTIONS :

Option = Scalable

MULTIPHASE MODELS :

Homogeneous Model = Off

FREE SURFACE MODEL :

Option = None

END

END

SUBDOMAIN : SubCO2

FLUID : Gasphase

SOURCES :

EQUATION SOURCE : continuity

Option = Fluid Mass Source

Source = 1*rxnrate*Gasphase.CO2.mw

VARIABLE : CO2.mf

Option = Value

Value = 1.0 [m m^-1]

END

VARIABLE : T

Option = Value

Value = Liquidphase.T

END

BOUNDARY : in

Boundary Type = INLET

Location = in

BOUNDARY CONDITIONS :

FLOW REGIME :

Option = Subsonic

END

HEAT TRANSFER :

Option = Fluid Dependent

END

MASS AND MOMENTUM :

Option = Fluid Velocity

END

END

FLUID : Gasphase

BOUNDARY CONDITIONS :

COMPONENT : CO2

Mass Fraction = 0.0

Option = Mass Fraction

END

COMPONENT : O2

Mass Fraction = 0.23

Option = Mass Fraction

END

COMPONENT : Water Vapour at 25 C

Mass Fraction = 0.0

Option = Mass Fraction

END

HEAT TRANSFER :

Option = Static Temperature

Static Temperature = 310 [K]

END

VELOCITY :

Normal Speed = 0.3 [m s^-1]

Option = Normal Speed

END

VOLUME FRACTION :

Option = Value

Volume Fraction = 1

END

END

END

FLUID : Liquidphase

BOUNDARY CONDITIONS :

COMPONENT : X

Mass Fraction = 0.005

Option = Mass Fraction

END

HEAT TRANSFER :

Option = Static Temperature

Static Temperature = 310 [K]

END

TURBULENCE :

Option = Low Intensity and Eddy Viscosity Ratio

END

VELOCITY :

Normal Speed = 0 [m s^-1]

Option = Normal Speed

END

VOLUME FRACTION :

Option = Value

Volume Fraction = 0

END

END

END

END

BOUNDARY : PBR Default

Boundary Type = WALL

Location = Solid 1.3,Solid 1.4

BOUNDARY CONDITIONS :

HEAT TRANSFER :

Option = Fluid Dependent

END

WALL ROUGHNESS :

Option = Smooth Wall

END

END

FLUID : Gasphase

BOUNDARY CONDITIONS :

HEAT TRANSFER :

Fixed Temperature = 298 [K]

Option = Fixed Temperature

END

WALL INFLUENCE ON FLOW :

Option = Free Slip

END

END

END

FLUID : Liquidphase

BOUNDARY CONDITIONS :

HEAT TRANSFER :

Fixed Temperature = 298 [K]

Option = Fixed Temperature

END

WALL INFLUENCE ON FLOW :

Option = No Slip

END

END

END

WALL CONTACT MODEL :

Option = Use Volume Fraction

END

END

BOUNDARY : out

Boundary Type = OUTLET

Location = out

BOUNDARY CONDITIONS :

FLOW REGIME :

Option = Subsonic

END

MASS AND MOMENTUM :

Option = Degassing Condition

END

END

END

SUBDOMAIN : SubX

FLUID : Liquidphase

EQUATION SOURCE : continuity

Option = Fluid Mass Source

Source = rxnrate*Liquidphase.X.mw

VARIABLE : T

Option = Value

Value = Liquidphase.T

END

VARIABLE : X.mf

Option = Value

Value = 1.0 [m m^-1]

END

EQUATION SOURCE : energy

Option = Source

Source =rxnrate*Liquidphase.X.mw*heatofrxn

END

SUBDOMAIN : SubWaterVap

FLUID : Gasphase

EQUATION SOURCE : continuity

Option = Fluid Mass Source

Source = 1.1*rxnrate*Gasphase.Water Vapour at 25 C.mw

VARIABLE : T

Option = Value

Value = Liquidphase.T

END

VARIABLE : Water Vapour at 25 C.mf

Option = Value

Value = 1.0 [m m^-1]

END

SUBDOMAIN : SubS

FLUID : Liquidphase

EQUATION SOURCE : continuity

Option = Fluid Mass Source

Source = -2*rxnrate*Liquidphase.S.mw/Liquidphase.S.mf

VARIABLE : T

Option = Value

Value = Liquidphase.T

END

VARIABLE : X.mf

Option = Value

Value = 0.0 [m m^-1]

END

INITIALISATION :

Option = Automatic

FLUID : Gasphase

INITIAL CONDITIONS :

Velocity Type = Cylindrical

COMPONENT : CO2

Mass Fraction = 0.0

Option = Automatic with Value

END

COMPONENT : O2

Mass Fraction = 0.23

Option = Automatic with Value

END

COMPONENT : Water Vapour at 25 C

Mass Fraction = 0.0

Option = Automatic with Value

END

CYLINDRICAL VELOCITY COMPONENTS :

Axis Type = Coordinate Axis

Option = Automatic with Value

Rotation Axis = Coord 0.3

Velocity Axial Component = 0.3 [m s^-1]

Velocity Theta Component = 0 [m s^-1]

Velocity r Component = 0.0001 [m s^-1]

END

TEMPERATURE :

Option = Automatic with Value

Temperature = 308 [K]

END

VOLUME FRACTION :

Option = Automatic with Value

Volume Fraction = 0.3

END

END

END

FLUID : Liquidphase

INITIAL CONDITIONS :

Velocity Type = Cylindrical

COMPONENT : X

Mass Fraction = 0.005

Option = Automatic with Value

END

CYLINDRICAL VELOCITY COMPONENTS :

Axis Type = Coordinate Axis

Option = Automatic with Value

Rotation Axis = Coord 0.3

Velocity Axial Component = 0 [m s^-1]

Velocity Theta Component = 0 [m s^-1]

Velocity r Component = 0 [m s^-1]

END

EPSILON :

Option = Automatic

END

K :

Option = Automatic

END

TEMPERATURE :

Option = Automatic with Value

Temperature = 308 [K]

END

VOLUME FRACTION :

Option = Automatic with Value

Volume Fraction = 0.7

END

END

END

INITIAL CONDITIONS :

STATIC PRESSURE :

Option = Automatic with Value

Relative Pressure = 0 [Pa]

END

END

END

SOLVER CONTROL :

ADVECTION SCHEME :

Option = Upwind

END

CONVERGENCE CONTROL :

Maximum Number of Coefficient Loops = 18

END

CONVERGENCE CRITERIA :

Residual Target = 1.E-4

Residual Type = RMS

END

TRANSIENT SCHEME :

Option = First Order Backward Euler

END

END END COMMAND FILE :

Version = 5.6

Results Version = 5.6 END

**********SOLVER******************* Memory Allocated for Run (Actual usage may be less ) DataType Kwords Words/Node Words/Elem Kbytes Byte/Node Real 37861.2 1500.82 275.28 147895.5 6003.29 Integer 8205.4 325.26 59.66 32052.4 1301.05 Character 3663.3 145.21 26.63 3577.4 145.21 Logical 72.0 2.85 0.52 281.3 11.42 Double 1124.1 4.56 8.17 8782.0 356.48

Total Number of Nodes, Elements, and Faces Total Number of Nodes = 25227 Total Number of Elements =137538 Total Number of Tetrahedrons =137538 Total Number of Faces = 6380

*** INSUFFICIENT CATALOGUE SIZE *** Action required : Increase the file catalogue size If the situation persists please contact the CFX Customer Helpline Current catalogue size: 53707
i hope this helps.

regards Paresh Jain

Juan Carlos February 12, 2004 16:14
re: Error message: Insufficient Catalogue Size
 
Hi,

This is not an insufficient memory problem, but catalogue size problem..

From the Solver Manager, edit your definition file (Tools/Edit Definition File) and add the Catalogue Size Multiplier parameter within the FLOW/SOLVER CONTROL section.

Use a real value, like 1.2 or higher until the solver manages.. Otherwise, contact your local CFX representative..

Hope this helps, let us know if it works, Juan Carlos

Paresh Jain February 14, 2004 00:31
re: Error message: Insufficient Catalogue Size
 
Hi Juan, Glenn, Pascale and friends, as rightly pointed out by Juan, the problem was not insufficient memory but was insufficient catalogue size. so i tried the suggestion given by Juan..and it worked....i just added following parameter in Solver Control section of .def file

Catalogue Size Multiplier = 2.0

Thanks again for all ur help. regards Paresh Jain

Bruyère October 8, 2007 10:58
*** INSUFFICIENT CATALOGUE SIZE ***
 
Hello, have you got an idea about this error?

Slave: 3 Slave: 3 Slave: 3 +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ Slave: 3 | *** INSUFFICIENT CATALOGUE SIZE *** | Slave: 3 | | Slave: 3 | ACTION REQUIRED : Increase the file catalogue size. | Slave: 3 | | Slave: 3 | If the situation persists please contact the CFX Customer Helpline | Slave: 3 | giving the following details:- | Slave: 3 | Current catalogue size : 55269 | Slave: 3 +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ Slave: 3 ---------------------------------- Slave: 3 Error in subroutine GET_VARELAV : Slave: 3 FCAT : Failed to get space for data area Slave: 3 GETVAR originally called by subroutine ASS_TRANS

+--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | ERROR #333000014 has occurred in subroutine RCVBUF. | | Message: | | Problems receiving a PVM-buffer from part. 3 to part. 1 | | --> PVM-error flag from notifying missing partition: -31 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+

Pankaj October 10, 2007 08:43
Re: *** INSUFFICIENT CATALOGUE SIZE ***
 
Increase the catalogue size by,

Catalogue Size Multiplier = 2

You can have 3,4. Insert it into solver control section using command editor.

This must help.

Thanks and regards. Pankaj.

Bruyère October 10, 2007 09:54
Re: *** INSUFFICIENT CATALOGUE SIZE ***
 
I have tried with catalogue size multiplier = 1.5 and it is working. So thank you very much. I keep your mail in mind. Regards. Bruyère.

Torque_Converter August 1, 2012 15:04
What kind of editor can access the .def file properly? So far it opens as giberish and in CFX there doesn't seem to be a function for the modification of the .def.

ghorrocks August 1, 2012 18:49
The def file is a binary file.

You can extract and write new CCL into the def file in CFX-Pre or using the cfx5cmds command.

mactech001 August 30, 2012 23:21
Hi Juan,

when i tried this, i was prompted that:

No New parameters can be added to the /FLOW:Flow Analysis 1/SOLVER CONTROL section of the CFX Command File.

Is there something else i need to setup please?

my simulation run works with no complaints of catalogue size with Steady-state. But when i run Transient, this catalogue size error message appears.

i'm using CFX v13.

ghorrocks August 31, 2012 07:00
If it asks for more catalog size then use the approach above to increase it. If you have to make the catalog size really big then you have some other problem, probably a complex GGI interface or convergence problem.

mactech001 September 2, 2012 10:56
Hi Glenn, thanks for your response.
i wanted to try the approach above to increase it, but my problem is, CFX prompted me that i can't add parameters anymore with the following message:

No New parameters can be added to the /FLOW:Flow Analysis 1/SOLVER CONTROL section of the CFX Command File.

Is it a setup problem or installation problem would you think?

regards,

mactech001 September 4, 2012 08:53
would the following error msg mean anything please?
Fatal error generated in gKVxEl_ZN
Message :- FCAT:- Unable to create work space LINK_LIST
gKVxEl_ZN called by :- gKVxEl_ZN

mactech001 September 5, 2012 03:31
Quote:
Originally Posted by ghorrocks (Post 374940)
The def file is a binary file.

You can extract and write new CCL into the def file in CFX-Pre or using the cfx5cmds command.

Hi Glenn,

do i use the command line as:

cfx5solve -size-cat 254k ?

mactech001 September 6, 2012 00:42
increase cat size
 
1 Attachment(s)
I've attached a screenshot of where in the Solver setting the catalogue size can be increased.

Marvin March 11, 2014 11:40
Just to mention that this error can also occur at the interpolation phase of the simulation. Even, for example, when starting the simulation from a current solution onto identical mesh. In this case, increase the catalogue size on the "Interpolator" tab of the solver manager.

Melvins January 14, 2015 21:35
When I do transient simulation, there comes the error ,please help
 
It says:
------------------------------------------------------------------+
| *** INSUFFICIENT CATALOGUE SIZE *** |
| |
| ACTION REQUIRED : Increase the file catalogue size. |
| |
| If the situation persists please contact the CFX Customer Helpline |
| giving the following details:- |
| Current catalogue size : 28960 |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------+

My element number is 34 million, so I wonder if it is the huge element number that leads to the memory size problem, but it is OK in steady simulation.

Please help, thanks a lot...

Martin_Sz January 15, 2015 05:41
There are many reasons of this error.
Check your mesh quality. Make these mesh more coarse.
Second check your BCs

Opaque January 15, 2015 12:21
In the ANSYS Solver Manager, click on the Show Advanced Controls, go to the Solver tab and click on Detailed Memory Overrides and use a multiplier for the Catalogue Size.

If using the command line, cfx5solve, please use cfx5solve -help and read the details to modify the catalogue size (-smms ?)

The software failed to selecting the proper catalogue size for its memory system.

Hope the above helps,

NielsB September 25, 2015 04:47
I've encountered this problem as well, increasing the catalog size will solve the problem. But I'm wondering, what's actually the 'meaning' of the catalog size? Is it related to memory somehow?

Kind regards,
Niels

jjpbuaa January 5, 2016 21:57
Quote:
Originally Posted by mactech001 (Post 379890)
Hi Glenn, thanks for your response.
i wanted to try the approach above to increase it, but my problem is, CFX prompted me that i can't add parameters anymore with the following message:

No New parameters can be added to the /FLOW:Flow Analysis 1/SOLVER CONTROL section of the CFX Command File.

Is it a setup problem or installation problem would you think?

regards,
hi, I have met totally the same question with yours. Have you solve this problem? Have you figured out why this problem occurred?

regards.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Melvins (Post 527561)
It says:
------------------------------------------------------------------+
| *** INSUFFICIENT CATALOGUE SIZE *** |
| |
| ACTION REQUIRED : Increase the file catalogue size. |
| |
| If the situation persists please contact the CFX Customer Helpline |
| giving the following details:- |
| Current catalogue size : 28960 |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------+

My element number is 34 million, so I wonder if it is the huge element number that leads to the memory size problem, but it is OK in steady simulation.

Please help, thanks a lot...
I have met the same problem. How did you solve this?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruyère
;84069
I have tried with catalogue size multiplier = 1.5 and it is working. So thank you very much. I keep your mail in mind. Regards. Bruyère.
hi, I have met the same problem. When i tried to add parameter "catalogue size multiplier", it indicated "No New parameters can be added to the /FLOW:Flow Analysis 1/SOLVER CONTROL section of the CFX Command File." Also, the try with "cfx5solve -size-mms 3" failed. I'd like to fingure out why this happens?

regards.

ghorrocks January 5, 2016 22:07
When CFX starts a simulation it estimates the amount of memory it will require to run and grabs that chunk of memory. For most simulations the estimation is pretty good and this causes no problems. The solver solver requires additional memory as the solution progresses and if this rises above the amount initially estimated the solver will stop with a catalog size error.

In these cases the first thing to do is to increase the catalog size, x1.2 is usually enough but if you have the memory to spare x2.0 is good. In a small number of cases this does not work - this indicates a more fundamental problem with the simulation, where function requiring memory has proven far more complex and it should be, and this invariably means a problem in that function and the problem should be fixed (rather than just allocating more memory and hoping).

jjpbuaa January 6, 2016 20:08
Quote:
Originally Posted by ghorrocks (Post 579692)
When CFX starts a simulation it estimates the amount of memory it will require to run and grabs that chunk of memory. For most simulations the estimation is pretty good and this causes no problems. The solver solver requires additional memory as the solution progresses and if this rises above the amount initially estimated the solver will stop with a catalog size error.

In these cases the first thing to do is to increase the catalog size, x1.2 is usually enough but if you have the memory to spare x2.0 is good. In a small number of cases this does not work - this indicates a more fundamental problem with the simulation, where function requiring memory has proven far more complex and it should be, and this invariably means a problem in that function and the problem should be fixed (rather than just allocating more memory and hoping).
Thank you very much for your answer. The error only occurred in the transient simulation when i used the steady simulation results as the initially value. I have the model with 3 million elements. Maybe the interpolation got error since the huge calculation or the complex interface? Can i solve this problem by using distributed parallel simulation?

ghorrocks January 7, 2016 18:36
The large mesh will not cause the error - the memory required for meshes is easy to calculate.

But complex interfaces can cause it. If the interface is more complex than normal the built in estimation can be wrong and lead to this error. But it is also a sign that the interface might not be well formed. Check the mesh for folds, bad quality elements and other badness near the interface.

jjpbuaa January 8, 2016 10:03
Quote:
Originally Posted by ghorrocks (Post 580029)
The large mesh will not cause the error - the memory required for meshes is easy to calculate.

But complex interfaces can cause it. If the interface is more complex than normal the built in estimation can be wrong and lead to this error. But it is also a sign that the interface might not be well formed. Check the mesh for folds, bad quality elements and other badness near the interface.
The simulation I made is for a patial admission turbine. The model was meshed using IGG/AutoGrid, and I think the quality is not bad. However, eace side of the interface containing more than 50 faces in CFX. Can this be the reason for the error?

ghorrocks January 10, 2016 01:18
It is hard to be sure but that is a strong suspect. Try make the interface consist of a smaller number of separate faces if possible.

Milsey June 7, 2016 01:13
The error isn't caused by mesh at all. Its caused by the solver detirmining how much space/ memory is required to complete all the programmed iterations. By changing the catalogue allocation/ iteration size you can allow the computer to take up more space, or reduce the amount of space required.

ghorrocks June 7, 2016 21:31
Posts #26 and #28 explain the source of this problem. If the error in memory estimate is small you can fix it with the catalog allocation parameter, but if that is enough you have to look at where the error in the estimation comes from. In my experience it is usually from large numbers of surfaces, interfaces or bodies; or very complex interfaces. It can also come from huge amounts of CEL expressions. To fix it you need to simpilfy the mesh faces/bodies or reduce the CEL.

Rikki-Tikki-Tavi February 3, 2021 03:37
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marvin (Post 479389)
Just to mention that this error can also occur at the interpolation phase of the simulation. Even, for example, when starting the simulation from a current solution onto identical mesh. In this case, increase the catalogue size on the "Interpolator" tab of the solver manager.
Thank you for making me feel stupid by stating the obvious and solving my problem with it.


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