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Hello,
I am running RANS simulations in a vertical Backward facing step domain and I am using CFX. It is a counter-gravity flow and behind the step, there is a heated wall in order to get mixed convection. Of course, I expect a steady-state solution but I either find backflow at the outlet from time to time or the whole time. Only about 0.2% of the area and 3.5% of the faces are affected by backflow. In the picture attached you can see where the velocity in streamwise direction is < 0. The settings are as follows: • Boussinesq buoyancy (it is valid here for sure) • „Thermal energy“ equation for heat transer • SST model In the out-file I can see that the momentum equations are not solved sufficiently and not as good as the other equations. --> see picture. Also, it shows only „ok“ for those and not „OK“. The assymetry of the flow and T field is comparatively strong (left vs right side of the channel in streamwise view). The problem does not occur when the heat flux is reduced by 90% (transient convection) or 99% (forced convection). So I am pretty sure the buoyancy must be responsible for this issue. What I did so far: • I have doubled the length of the domain behind the heated wall and I still get the same results. The backflow at the outlet occurs in the same cells. • I have varied the buoyancy reference temperature: inlet temperature first (300K), then the average (310K) of inlet temperature and highest temperature calculated in the simulation. Do you have any suggestions what else I could try? |
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I think you will find your initial assumption of a steady state solution is incorrect. Buoyancy simulations frequently result in large scale transient flow features.
The back flow you are getting is probably correct: The hot, buoyant fluid will rise on the heater side. To conserve mass (and volume as this is a constant density simulation) there needs to be a region of reduced flow, or if the buoyancy is enough (or the through flow rate low enough) a region of reversed flow. So everything you report appears as expected. My suggestion is you will need to do this as a transient simulation.
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Thanks for your reply!
As I wrote, this simulation was done using the SST model. I ran a similar simulation for almost 2000 iterations and I could see an oscillation of all equation residuals and I got unsatisfying results (I checked the U and T profiles, my monitor points and some characteristic key numbers like skin friction coefficient along the wall). In a simulation where I use Reynolds stress models (BSL RS and Omega RS model) all the equation residuals plunge down below my convergence criteria (RMS 1e-6) and remain roughly constant from this point on. I received proper, reasonable results there. I also tried it for both models that are combined to SST, say the k-eps and the k-omega model. I found good results and quick convergence for the k-omega model while the k-eps failed to reach my convergence criteria and it was visible that in the flow and temperature field and so on. So I assume that everything is working fine in the near wall region and that the problems occur in the free stream region. But I don’t know what might be the reason for such a behavior and how to fix that (if possible). Do you have any ideas? Additional information: The mesh I am using is considered to be independent after I did a mesh independency study with Omega RS. And I assume that there shouldn't be problems for SST due to the mesh quality if it is sufficient for a RSM. |
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But so far all I see is some differences between the different turbulence models. This is normal, each turbulence model has its own strengths and weaknesses - and you would expect differences between them all.
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