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Hello everyone,
I am currently working on a project that I would like to simulate using ANSYS CFX 2024 R2 Student (Autodesk CFD was not detailed enough for my purposes). The project involves a circular Venturi nozzle (see cross-sectional view in the attachment), which I modeled in Inventor. To the right of the nozzle, there is a wall that needs to be cooled. So far, I have successfully simulated the airflow within the nozzle. However, I am struggling to simulate the impinging jet on the wall, as I keep encountering issues. Challenges:
Thank you in advance for your support! Best regards, P.S.: This is my first post 😊 ![]() |
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Nice post, and extra kudos for the animation
![]() On your challenges: 1) Yes, you will need to extract the air volume. You can do this in most solid modelling packages, or you can do it in all the ANSYS solid modelling packages as well (Spaceclaim, DesignModeller etc). They all have a different way of doing it. DesignModeller is the one I know best and you can do it several ways, the easiest is probably using boolean operations (subtract the solids from a block to give the air domain). 2) That is not a simple question, and it depends on what you are trying model. Do some tutorials to get a feel for it, read the documentation on the various options and talk to your CFD guru at school/uni. 3) That depends on whether you want to include a model of the nozzle, or just assume the output of the nozzle. This links back into what you want to do and challenge 2. 4) They both can do it fine. Use the one you prefer. If you choose Fluent you should post on the Fluent forum, however. 5) Good question, and again there is not a simple answer. See https://www.cfd-online.com/Wiki/Ansy..._inaccurate.3F and https://www.cfd-online.com/Wiki/Ansy...publishable.3F 6) Yes. The model then includes a heat model. This is a reasonably simple addition to the fluids model - but note it does make accurate results more challenging as accurate heat transfer results are often difficult (just like accurate heat transfer measurements are difficult).
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Thank you for the quick response!
Regarding your answers:
- Does the inlet (and outlet) need to be inside the outer “box,” i.e., the ambient air domain? - What boundary condition would you recommend for the walls? No-slip wall? Thanks again! |
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1. This is basic solid modelling and Meshing. Have a look at the CFX tutorials on pre-processing for examples of how this is done. Note these are the tutorials from CFX-Mesh and other pre-processing software, not the CFX tutorials (as they do not cover pre-processing).
2. In that case do some tutorials to get a feel for it, read the documentation on the various options. If you have specific questions you can ask the forum, but the forum is not intended for broad questions like "how should I model a gizmo". A better forum question is "Should I use a mass flow or a pressure boundary at the inlet when I model a gizmo". 3. This really depends on the coupling between the two. If the downstream things do not affect what happens in the venturi then they can be separated and modelled as two separate models with simple boundary conditions. If the downstream things do affect the venturi then it is best to model them together in a single model. "Does the inlet (and outlet) need to be inside the outer “box,” i.e., the ambient air domain?" The inlet and outlet needs to be faces on the air domain so that those faces can be appropriate boundary conditions. "What boundary condition would you recommend for the walls?" The default wall (no slip) is appropriate for most cases.
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1. This is basic solid modelling and Meshing. Have a look at the CFX tutorials on pre-processing for examples of how this is done. Note these are the tutorials from CFX-Mesh and other pre-processing software, not the CFX tutorials (as they do not cover pre-processing).
2. In that case do some tutorials to get a feel for it, read the documentation on the various options. If you have specific questions you can ask the forum, but the forum is not intended for broad questions like "how should I model a gizmo". A better forum question is "Should I use a mass flow or a pressure boundary at the inlet when I model a gizmo". 3. This really depends on the coupling between the two. If the downstream things do not affect what happens in the venturi then they can be separated and modelled as two separate models with simple boundary conditions. If the downstream things do affect the venturi then it is best to model them together in a single model. "Does the inlet (and outlet) need to be inside the outer “box,” i.e., the ambient air domain?" The inlet and outlet needs to be faces on the air domain so that those faces can be appropriate boundary conditions. "What boundary condition would you recommend for the walls?" The default wall (no slip) is appropriate for most cases.
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I’ve already gone through many tutorials but couldn’t make progress, which is why I posted in the forum. I’ll try looking into it again—thank you!
3. Okay, thank you. To account for any potential stagnation pressure effects, I’ll simulate both the internal and external flow together. I understand that the inlet and outlet need to be faces of the air domain. However, in DesignModeler, you can use the "Enclosure" function, which needs to encompass the entire geometry. My question is whether this is a good approach, or if it would be better to leave the inlet of the nozzle outside the ambient air domain (see attachment). I’ll give the simulation another try later this week and will update you. Thanks again! ![]() |
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It is hard to recommend anything because I do not know what you are trying to do.
Is the main flow through the venturi driven by something? Is the only thing driving the flow through the venturi the entrained flow from the compressed air? If yes, then I would model this entirely inside the domain, with a boundary condition for the compressed air and an external boundary for the atmosphere (opening, pressure=0), Note that you are going to need a fine mesh to resolve the Coanda effect on the compressed air. Also note that this model appears to be 2D axisymmetric - which would dramatically simplify the model.
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I want to simulate the impinging jet on the wall and, in a second step, analyze the heat transfer. My goal is to evaluate the nozzle's efficiency by determining the ratio of entrained air to injected air.
The main flow is driven solely by compressed air. 5 m³/h of air are injected into the nozzle (via an inlet pipe), and the air is expelled through the nozzle. Due to the Venturi effect, additional air should be entrained. What do you mean by "inside the domain"? Are you referring to the right-hand "drawing" in my image? If I were to design three inlet pipes and cut through one of them, would it still be considered axisymmetric? Thank you so much for taking the time to help me! |
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Your left image looks definitely wrong, and the right one is sort-of wrong as well. The issue is that you do not need to have an inlet boundary for the venturi. It should just be connected to the surrounding air domain so the air can be drawn in as it is entrained. The only active boundary condition I am aware of is the compressed air which can be modelled as a inlet with a defined mass/volume flow rate. There is also the atmospheric boundary around the whole domain, it should be an opening at zero pressure.
A 2D axisymmetric model means you can take the 2D slice you are modelling and it represents the 3D volume generated by revolving that slice around the axis. So a single venturi looks 2D axisymmetric from what I have seen, but an array of 3 venturis does not sound 2D axisymmetric. 2D models are MUCH easier, so definitely start with that one.
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I think we might be misunderstanding each other a bit.
The nozzle is supplied with compressed air, just like a standard nozzle. For this, I do need an inlet. Inside the nozzle, the injected air flows along the wall of the nozzle and is supposed to entrain ambient air. The pipe supplying the compressed air needs to be far enough away from the nozzle outlet to avoid influencing the simulation. However, if I model the inlet as shown on the right in the sketch, won’t ambient air also get entrained into the compressed air? |
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Yes, I do not think we are talking about the same thing. How about you model up what you want to use and we discuss that. Even if you are not sure how to model it, just have a guess and we can go from there.
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Okay, I'll get back to you here then, right?
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Sure. Whatever you think will show what you are trying to do best.
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