heat resistance on solid-solid interface

March 12, 2009, 05:32

Dear CFX users!

My problem is the following: there are two solid bodies which are connected with solid-solid interface. There is heat generation (W/m3) in either of the solid domains. The thermal conductivity of the solids is different. I should define an additional heat transfer coefficient (4000 W/m2K) because the thermal contact is not perfect between them. I don't know how to define this htc on the domain interface. I found that I could set up source, where the Flux coefficient is the htc, but I don't know the value of the Flux. Does anybody could help me?

Bela

pratikmehta · March 16, 2009, 14:31

Hi, could you please explain what do you mean by thermal contact is not proper . What exactly is your problem set-up .

andy2o · March 19, 2009, 03:55

Thermal contact resistances are not supported in ANSYS CFX 11.

There may be some way of representing such resistances with user defined code or CEL though - it might be worth contacting ANSYS directly for advice.

I was told by ANSYS that they will be supported (together with other surface physics enhancements) in CFX 12, but I haven't seen the Beta release of CFX 12 to check whether they actually made it to the actual product...

Best regards,
andy2o

rogbrito · March 19, 2009, 08:53

You can use Fluent for solving this problem.

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Originally Posted by Bela
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Dear CFX users!

My problem is the following: there are two solid bodies which are connected with solid-solid interface. There is heat generation (W/m3) in either of the solid domains. The thermal conductivity of the solids is different. I should define an additional heat transfer coefficient (4000 W/m2K) because the thermal contact is not perfect between them. I don't know how to define this htc on the domain interface. I found that I could set up source, where the Flux coefficient is the htc, but I don't know the value of the Flux. Does anybody could help me?

Bela

pratikmehta · March 19, 2009, 11:11

Hi,
Is your problem a natural convection or forced convection , all I can for now think of is that , you can have model the improper contact between the two solids as a porous media ( separate porous domain) , this porous domain should be having all the flow resistances in 3 directions.

I hope this helps

cheers
Pratik

andy2o · March 19, 2009, 17:43

Pratik,

When two bodies are held together, the (perhaps large, or perhaps microscopic) roughness of the surfaces of the bodies means that they do not come into uniform perfect contact. There will be small gaps between them (often filled with air). Therefore for heat to flow from one body to another it has to cross this small gap by conduction, small scale convection, or radiation. This gives rise to thermal resistance.

Because the gap is so small, you do not want to mesh it or model it as a 3-d feature. Instead, it is often modelled as a thermal resistance at a surface. Unfortunately CFX does not yet easily support this. This is what Bela was asking about.

I hope it makes sense now.

Best regards,
andy2o

pratikmehta · March 20, 2009, 02:28

Hi Andy ,

ok, now it is clear abt Bela`s query , you are right CFX till now have no such feature till now

thanks andy

best regards
pratik

ubadekemerli · October 25, 2022, 15:57

Hi Bela,

I use fluent, and I don't know if you can do it at CFX, but what I do in fluent is that I add a wall thickness and define a material for that wall thickness. By doing that, you can have the same thermal resistance by defining the thickness and thermal conductivity of the material properly. Hope that helps.

Opaque · October 25, 2022, 16:02

- Open the solid-solid domain interface
- Go to the Additional Interface Models tab
- Select Heat Transfer/Interface Model option = Thin Material
- Select Material name
- Set material thickness.

March 12, 2009, 05:32	heat resistance on solid-solid interface	#1
Bela Guest Posts: n/a	Dear CFX users! My problem is the following: there are two solid bodies which are connected with solid-solid interface. There is heat generation (W/m3) in either of the solid domains. The thermal conductivity of the solids is different. I should define an additional heat transfer coefficient (4000 W/m2K) because the thermal contact is not perfect between them. I don't know how to define this htc on the domain interface. I found that I could set up source, where the Flux coefficient is the htc, but I don't know the value of the Flux. Does anybody could help me? Bela

October 25, 2022, 16:02		#9
Opaque Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,804 Rep Power: 32	- Open the solid-solid domain interface - Go to the Additional Interface Models tab - Select Heat Transfer/Interface Model option = Thin Material - Select Material name - Set material thickness. __________________ Note: I do not answer CFD questions by PM. CFD questions should be posted on the forum.

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March 16, 2009, 14:31		#2
pratikmehta Member Pratik Mehta Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 32 Rep Power: 17	Hi, could you please explain what do you mean by thermal contact is not proper . What exactly is your problem set-up .

March 19, 2009, 03:55		#3
andy2o New Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 5 Rep Power: 17	Thermal contact resistances are not supported in ANSYS CFX 11. There may be some way of representing such resistances with user defined code or CEL though - it might be worth contacting ANSYS directly for advice. I was told by ANSYS that they will be supported (together with other surface physics enhancements) in CFX 12, but I haven't seen the Beta release of CFX 12 to check whether they actually made it to the actual product... Best regards, andy2o

March 19, 2009, 11:11		#5
pratikmehta Member Pratik Mehta Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 32 Rep Power: 17	Hi, Is your problem a natural convection or forced convection , all I can for now think of is that , you can have model the improper contact between the two solids as a porous media ( separate porous domain) , this porous domain should be having all the flow resistances in 3 directions. I hope this helps cheers Pratik

March 19, 2009, 17:43		#6
andy2o New Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 5 Rep Power: 17	Pratik, When two bodies are held together, the (perhaps large, or perhaps microscopic) roughness of the surfaces of the bodies means that they do not come into uniform perfect contact. There will be small gaps between them (often filled with air). Therefore for heat to flow from one body to another it has to cross this small gap by conduction, small scale convection, or radiation. This gives rise to thermal resistance. Because the gap is so small, you do not want to mesh it or model it as a 3-d feature. Instead, it is often modelled as a thermal resistance at a surface. Unfortunately CFX does not yet easily support this. This is what Bela was asking about. I hope it makes sense now. Best regards, andy2o

March 20, 2009, 02:28		#7
pratikmehta Member Pratik Mehta Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 32 Rep Power: 17	Hi Andy , ok, now it is clear abt Bela`s query , you are right CFX till now have no such feature till now thanks andy best regards pratik

October 25, 2022, 15:57		#8
ubadekemerli New Member Ubade Kemerli Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	Hi Bela, I use fluent, and I don't know if you can do it at CFX, but what I do in fluent is that I add a wall thickness and define a material for that wall thickness. By doing that, you can have the same thermal resistance by defining the thickness and thermal conductivity of the material properly. Hope that helps.