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 July 1, 2009, 15:01 in - pressure, out pressure, is that make sense? #1 New Member   Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 10 Hi everyone, I want to simulate a flow through Bosch Rexroth directional valve. I modeled geometry. I want to obtain nominal flow rate through valve. I have found how companies determine it. This quotation from Bosch rexroth documentation from their website. " No norm exists for the term “nominal flow rate”. To obtain a clear numerical value, Rexroth has defined the following: Inlet pressure: pabs = 7 bar Differential pressure: ∆p = 1 bar Medium temperature: TM = 293 K (20 °C) Humidity: Φ ≅ 0 % Flow rates are indicated in volumes per time unit. The volume refers to a normal state valid for pneumatics according to ISO 8778, and this is as follows: Pressure: p0 = 100 kPa (1 bar) Temperature: T0 = 20 °C Relative humidity: Φ ≅ 65 % In order to identify the flow rate q as a slack volume, the acronym ANR (Atmosphère Normale de Référence) can be added after the unit. Example: q = 12 dm3/s (ANR)" According to this documentation, I have asssumed reference pressure 1bar, 6 bar pressure at inlet, and 5 bar at outlet. Ansys CFX gave me mass flow at outlet q = 0.00743 kg/s and i divided it by 1,18kg/s (density in nominal state) and I multiplied it by 1000 and 60 to determine nominal flow in dm^3/min. But unfortunately results are about 4 times less than from technical card about this directional valve. Did I simulate this valve in proper way? Why there is so big difference? Thank you for your help Mateusz K.

 July 1, 2009, 16:08 #2 Senior Member     George Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 257 Rep Power: 11 1) I didnt understand what you meant about the operating conditions that valve was tested. until thats clear (at least to you) i dont think you will ever find the solution 2) you said many words but nothing on how you modeled the valve in cfx (however find the answer to (1) first ) i presume it was steady state? did you assumed an isothermal state ? 3) read the "recommended configurations of boundary conditions" in the cfx manual. __________________ Top 4 tips 1. Knowledge is everything and Ignorance is dangerous. 2. Understand your limitations and try to eliminate them. 3. Get yerself a bike and hoon the chuffer. You will soon learn why dogs like to hang their heads out the car window. 4. Please before asking any questions on how to run simulations in CFX, go though all the tutorials Last edited by ckleanth; July 1, 2009 at 19:07.

 July 1, 2009, 17:06 #3 New Member   Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 10 1) operating conditions, They assumed 6bar at inlet and 5bar at outlet 2) yes it is steady state analysis, and I applied compressibility of flow by assuming Ideal Gas

 July 1, 2009, 20:28 #4 Senior Member   Rogerio Jack Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Brazil Posts: 100 Rep Power: 9 Hi Sir, is it possible to do an experimental analysis (only one Sir) with this valve? After that, u can do your (several) simulations with these CFD tools. Rogerio.

 July 7, 2009, 11:28 #5 Member   Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 49 Rep Power: 10 Defining pressure BC on both inlet/outlets does not make sense to me. You need some other BC conditions to make the problem closed.

 July 7, 2009, 11:32 #6 Member   Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 44 Rep Power: 10 Total pressure in, static pressure out is fine...

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 Originally Posted by Timon Total pressure in, static pressure out is fine...
http://www.abcm.org.br/symposiumSeri...SSM3_IV_05.pdf

especially at the end of section 2.3 and look how they apply bc. I aware that static pressure at in and out is not appropriate.

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