Symmetry problem

sameer10dulkar · December 9, 2010, 12:41

I was trying to use symmetry to reduce simulation time taken by Flow 3d to simulate flow through t shaped microchannel. When i meshed only the right half of the microchannel geometry(see picture attached) as opposed to the full geometry (see picture attached ) i am getting different results.

I have used the same mesh Density and same boundary conditions.
Inlet BC: Q=1ml/min
Outlet BC: P=1 atm

SI Units are used for the simulation and the simulations were run until steady state condition. The output graphs for pressure show a difference of 50 pascals at the stagnation point. Is this okay? or did i miss out on some parameter for getting the difference in value.

Thanks in advance.

-Sameer

aginor · January 17, 2011, 20:07

i think that your flow is not simmetrical! think about a vortex. in some cases it looks symmetrical but it is not. the diference of 50 pascal is in the aqurancy that you whant?

sameer10dulkar · January 17, 2011, 21:53

50 pascal is the difference in the pressure values just near the outlet of the T junction for the two cases. I am not sure if that is okay or how much that would affect the final output?

I am currently running for symmetry in the plane of the t junction (as opposed to the perpendicular plane as shown in the fig).

Quote:

Originally Posted by aginor

i think that your flow is not simmetrical! think about a vortex. in some cases it looks symmetrical but it is not. the diference of 50 pascal is in the aqurancy that you whant?

jk75 · January 18, 2011, 03:52

Hello,

you are using the same inlet BC in both cases although the inlet surface area in the second case is only half of that of the first case? Doesn't this affect the volume flow rate?

Regards,
Johannes

MuxaB · January 19, 2011, 00:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by jk75

Hello,

you are using the same inlet BC in both cases although the inlet surface area in the second case is only half of that of the first case? Doesn't this affect the volume flow rate?

Regards,
Johannes

Good point! The inlet flow rate needs to be cut in half when modeling a half of the domain.

sameer10dulkar · January 21, 2011, 14:11

Hi Johannes and MuxaB,

Thanks for the inputs. I will run it with the changed conditions. I appreciate your help.

-Sameer

December 9, 2010, 12:41	Symmetry problem	#1
sameer10dulkar New Member Sameer Tendulkar Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11 Rep Power: 15	I was trying to use symmetry to reduce simulation time taken by Flow 3d to simulate flow through t shaped microchannel. When i meshed only the right half of the microchannel geometry(see picture attached) as opposed to the full geometry (see picture attached ) i am getting different results. I have used the same mesh Density and same boundary conditions. Inlet BC: Q=1ml/min Outlet BC: P=1 atm SI Units are used for the simulation and the simulations were run until steady state condition. The output graphs for pressure show a difference of 50 pascals at the stagnation point. Is this okay? or did i miss out on some parameter for getting the difference in value. Thanks in advance. -Sameer

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January 17, 2011, 20:07		#2
aginor New Member Nikolaidis Giorgos Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 4 Rep Power: 15	i think that your flow is not simmetrical! think about a vortex. in some cases it looks symmetrical but it is not. the diference of 50 pascal is in the aqurancy that you whant?

January 18, 2011, 03:52		#4
jk75 New Member Johannes Köpf Join Date: May 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 29 Rep Power: 16	Hello, you are using the same inlet BC in both cases although the inlet surface area in the second case is only half of that of the first case? Doesn't this affect the volume flow rate? Regards, Johannes

January 21, 2011, 14:11		#6
sameer10dulkar New Member Sameer Tendulkar Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11 Rep Power: 15	Hi Johannes and MuxaB, Thanks for the inputs. I will run it with the changed conditions. I appreciate your help. -Sameer