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Old   October 9, 2017, 05:06
Question Define_dpm_drag udf
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Hello,

I have a fundamental question, because I'm confused. In the UDF DEFINE_DPM_DRAG what value does the Fluent read? A drag coefficient Cd, which is then incorporated by the program to the force Fd=18μCdRe/(ρpDp^2 24), or the (18 Cd Re/24). Then in the second case what force does the program induce to the particles?

In Fluent manual it says the value returned by the UDF should be:

18*cd*Re/24

But in the example drag force UDF, the value returned is clearly not this. For example see the example code below in Fluent manual:

/************************************************** *********************
UDF for computing particle drag coefficient (18 Cd Re/24)
curve as suggested by R. Clift, J. R. Grace and M.E. Weber
"Bubbles, Drops, and Particles" (1978)
************************************************** **********************/

#include "udf.h"

DEFINE_DPM_DRAG(particle_drag_force, Re, p)
{
real w, drag_force;

if (Re < 0.01)
{
drag_force=18.0;
return (drag_force);
}
else if (Re < 20.0)
{
w = log10(Re);
drag_force = 18.0 + 2.367*pow(Re,0.82-0.05*w) ;
return (drag_force);
}
else
/* Note: suggested valid range 20 < Re < 260 */
{
drag_force = 18.0 + 3.483*pow(Re,0.6305) ;
return (drag_force);
}
}

In Fluent manual it says: The value returned to the solver must be dimensionless and represent 18 * Cd * Re / 24.

There is no 18*cd*Re/24 term in the above code.

Can any one please explain why they mentioned it in the manual but do not use it in the example code?

Thank you.
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The Fluent manual says the return value should represent 18 * Cd * Re / 24. That does not mean that you have to calculate this explicitly, that is why you don't see it in the code.

If you have a simulation in which you want 18*Cd*Re/24=1, then your UDF should return 1.

The UDF that you quoted calculated (for Re>20) 18*Cd*Re/24 = 18.0 + 3.483*pow(Re,0.6305).
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The Fluent manual says the return value should represent 18 * Cd * Re / 24. That does not mean that you have to calculate this explicitly, that is why you don't see it in the code.

If you have a simulation in which you want 18*Cd*Re/24=1, then your UDF should return 1.

The UDF that you quoted calculated (for Re>20) 18*Cd*Re/24 = 18.0 + 3.483*pow(Re,0.6305).
Thank you for your reply. So If I know the drag coefficient as a function of Reynolds number, which is almost always the case, I just multiply that with 18 Re/24 to feed it to Fluent to compute drag force. For example, using well known Morsi and Alexander (1972) correlations for computing drag on a sphere this would be correct, with cd being drag coefficient:

if(Re<0.1){

cd=24.0/Re;
drag_force=18*cd*Re/24;

}else if(Re>0.1 && Re<1.0){


cd=22.73/Re+0.0903/(pow(Re,2))+3.69;
drag_force=18*cd*Re/24;

}else if(Re>1.0 && Re<10){

cd=29.1667/Re-3.1889/(pow(Re,2))+1.222;
drag_force=18*cd*Re/24;

}else if(Re>10 && Re<100){

cd=46.5/Re-116.67/(pow(Re,2))+0.6167;
drag_force=18*cd*Re/24;

}else if(Re>100 && Re<1000){

cd=98.33/Re-2778.0/(pow(Re,2))+0.3644;
drag_force=18*cd*Re/24;

}else if(Re>1000 && Re<5000){

cd=148.62/Re-4.75e-4/(pow(Re,2))+0.357;
drag_force=18*cd*Re/24;

}else if(Re>5000 && Re<10000){

cd=-490.546/Re+57.87e4/(pow(Re,2))+0.46;
drag_force=18*cd*Re/24;

}else if(Re>10000 && Re<50000){

cd=-1662.5/Re+5.4167e6/(pow(Re,2))+0.5191;
drag_force=18*cd*Re/24;

}

return(drag_force);
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I agree with Pakk.
One thing to note is that Cd tends towards (24/Re) at low values of Re, so (Cd*Re/24) tends towards 1. This is why you see return values of 18.0 or (18.0 + other stuff) in the example.
Some comments on your example:
1) Why not move the repeated line "drag_force=18*cd*Re/24" outside the if... block, so you only need to see it once, and you can tell without checking that it applies to all branches?
2) I would stop using the example's variable name "drag_force", which is unhelpful.
3) This is a serious point: look what happens when Re is exactly 1.0 (for example)! None of the if()...else()... tests are satisfied, so you get a zero answer (I think). MUCH better to use "if(Re<0.1){...}else if(Re<1.0){...}". Exact values are presumably rare in practice, but then what about Re>=50000? Better to put in explicit behaviour here -- possibly zero -- rather than rely on obscure C features like zero initialization.
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