# Laminar or Turbulent model

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 August 21, 2012, 07:44 Laminar or Turbulent model #1 Member   prince Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 56 Rep Power: 8 Hello Friends How to model a system where flow is turbulent at one part of system and rest part flow is laminar.

 August 23, 2012, 02:13 #2 Senior Member   Vaze Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 155 Rep Power: 10 Hi This is possible with UDF where you have to tell solver that up to finite length of the domain turbulence model will work and in rest of the domain another model. I have not yet tried such UDF but it can be possible. Best wishes Mvee

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 Originally Posted by prince_pahariaa Hello Friends How to model a system where flow is turbulent at one part of system and rest part flow is laminar.
Transition is taking place from laminar to turbulent in your system or you have two different flows one laminar and one turbulent at different parts of your system? what exactly is your problem?

 August 23, 2012, 06:10 #4 New Member   Richard Parker Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 7 Simply solve all with a turbulent model. A turbulent model accounts for turbulence, but this does not mean you are assuming the flux is turbulent. It might as well be laminar. kinger likes this.

 August 23, 2012, 06:25 #5 Senior Member   cfdnewbie Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 557 Rep Power: 13 That would be unwise to do. The standard turbulence models (I am assuming you are doing RANS) add viscosity to the flow, even in the laminar regime. When using a additional turbulence model in the laminar region, you will likely get execessive dissipation there...

 August 23, 2012, 06:32 #6 Member   prince Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 56 Rep Power: 8 @ CFD seeker :- Transition is taking place from turbulent to laminar. My problem is like this. I have a pipe on which 10 nozzles are mounted. This pipe system is to recirculate water in rectangular pool. Water through nozzles goes into pool and there is outlet for water inside pool. Flow is turbulent inside the pipe and when it passes through nozzle but re- circulation inside pool is laminar. I am expecting at certain height the transverse velocity should be almost zero but i am not getting the desired result. @ MVEE :- I will try the UDF way. Thanks.. Will let you know if it works. @ Richard Parker :- I am not very clear what did you suggest. Please can you elaborate a little..

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 Originally Posted by cfdnewbie That would be unwise to do. The standard turbulence models (I am assuming you are doing RANS) add viscosity to the flow, even in the laminar regime. When using a additional turbulence model in the laminar region, you will likely get execessive dissipation there...
exactly cfd newbie is spot on that turbulence models add viscosity everywhere....if the flow is transitional then we can use 2 new turbulence models incorporated in Ansys 12 onward i.e k-kl-w transition model(3 equations model) and transition k-w model(4 equations model) but in the other case if we have two separate flows one laminar and other turbulent then I guess we have to split the domain in two parts to solve laminar and turbulent portions separately

 August 23, 2012, 07:05 #8 New Member   Richard Parker Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 7 Perhaps it is not necessary to write an UDF. Fluent has the capability of defining a laminar zone, where turbulence equations are not solved. You just have to define the zone in the mesh and then mark is as a laminar zone in the Fluid panel of the GUI. Have a look here. (I must say that I've never done it myself, but looks promising). About the consequences of solving laminar flows with a turbulent model whe have a good old post with a very knowledgeable insight.

 August 24, 2012, 00:46 #9 Member   prince Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 56 Rep Power: 8 Thank all of you for interest.. It has been useful

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