how to choose the turbulence intensity and hydraulic diameter

shlgzz · March 7, 2013, 03:16

Hello.
I'm facing the problem of choosing turbulence intensity and hydraulic diameter when simulating the flow field of airfoil.
Any kind of help will be appreciated.
Thank you.

kbaker · March 7, 2013, 12:08

You mean how to set the values of turbulent intensity and hydraulic diameter? if yes it exist at the inlet boundary just select momentum then set your turbulent quantities but be sure first that you choose a turbulence model for your problem if it laminar turbulent quantities cannot be set under laminar case.

shlgzz · March 7, 2013, 22:03

Thanks for your answer.kbaker.You are right.
I know where to set the values.However,I don't know how to calculate the values of turbulent intensity and hydraulic diameter.
Could you give me some suggestions?

macfly · March 7, 2013, 22:47

Did you read this: https://www.sharcnet.ca/Software/Flu...ug/node238.htm

vigii · March 8, 2013, 01:47

For external flow over a airfoil the Turbulence Intensity would be in the range of 1% and hydraulic diameter should be calculated from formula 4*a/p (a-area;p-perimeter) . You should consider the face(in case of 3d) or edge (in case of 2d) which is normal to the direction of flow.

shlgzz · March 8, 2013, 06:40

Thank you.vigii.However,I'm not sure about how to calculate the hydraulic diameter because we don't know the width of airfoil.If provided any information in detail,that would be great.Besides,the material of fluid is air or ideal gas? and how do you specify the turbulence?

vigii · March 11, 2013, 00:05

If you could give me your outline of the problem. I could help you out. its better to give your domain model with its dimensions. it would be helpful for calculating the parameters of the concern problem.

shlgzz · March 11, 2013, 03:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by vigii

If you could give me your outline of the problem. I could help you out. its better to give your domain model with its dimensions. it would be helpful for calculating the parameters of the concern problem.

Thank you.vigii.
Under the incompressible conditions,does the mach number influence the lift coefficient and drag coefficient much?

The attachment shows the domain model of 2 dimensions.The radius of arc is 14 times of chord length.The width of rectangle is 20 times of chord length.I wanna know how to specify the turbulence properly.

vigii · March 11, 2013, 04:38

I want to clear myself one thing about your nature of your problem. I think you mean to do subsonic flow analysis for your kind of airfoil. If im right then the Velocity/Mach no. Here, it will have its own effects on Cl and Cd.

Give turbulence intensity as 1%
and hydraulic diameter as length of the arc. (If 2d)

If you are trying to replicate any wind tunnel tests. then can give Hydraulic diameter as 4*a/p

March 7, 2013, 03:16	how to choose the turbulence intensity and hydraulic diameter	#1
shlgzz New Member Wheeler Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 24 Rep Power: 13	Hello. I'm facing the problem of choosing turbulence intensity and hydraulic diameter when simulating the flow field of airfoil. Any kind of help will be appreciated. Thank you.

March 7, 2013, 22:03		#3
shlgzz New Member Wheeler Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 24 Rep Power: 13	Thanks for your answer.kbaker.You are right. I know where to set the values.However,I don't know how to calculate the values of turbulent intensity and hydraulic diameter. Could you give me some suggestions? Vinay94 likes this.

March 8, 2013, 01:47		#5
vigii Member Vignesh KPV Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Bangalore Posts: 83 Rep Power: 14	For external flow over a airfoil the Turbulence Intensity would be in the range of 1% and hydraulic diameter should be calculated from formula 4*a/p (a-area;p-perimeter) . You should consider the face(in case of 3d) or edge (in case of 2d) which is normal to the direction of flow. rajasekar0007 and Vinay94 like this.

March 8, 2013, 06:40		#6
shlgzz New Member Wheeler Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 24 Rep Power: 13	Thank you.vigii.However,I'm not sure about how to calculate the hydraulic diameter because we don't know the width of airfoil.If provided any information in detail,that would be great.Besides,the material of fluid is air or ideal gas? and how do you specify the turbulence? Last edited by shlgzz; March 8, 2013 at 21:25.

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kbaker Senior Member Khalid Baker Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: IRAQ Posts: 168 Rep Power: 17	You mean how to set the values of turbulent intensity and hydraulic diameter? if yes it exist at the inlet boundary just select momentum then set your turbulent quantities but be sure first that you choose a turbulence model for your problem if it laminar turbulent quantities cannot be set under laminar case.

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March 11, 2013, 00:05		#7
vigii Member Vignesh KPV Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Bangalore Posts: 83 Rep Power: 14	If you could give me your outline of the problem. I could help you out. its better to give your domain model with its dimensions. it would be helpful for calculating the parameters of the concern problem.

March 11, 2013, 04:38		#9
vigii Member Vignesh KPV Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Bangalore Posts: 83 Rep Power: 14	I want to clear myself one thing about your nature of your problem. I think you mean to do subsonic flow analysis for your kind of airfoil. If im right then the Velocity/Mach no. Here, it will have its own effects on Cl and Cd. Give turbulence intensity as 1% and hydraulic diameter as length of the arc. (If 2d) If you are trying to replicate any wind tunnel tests. then can give Hydraulic diameter as 4*a/p