CFD Online Logo CFD Online URL
www.cfd-online.com
[Sponsors]
Home > Forums > Software User Forums > ANSYS > FLUENT

Transient-FSI, Density-based, compressible -very wierd behaviour, help

Register Blogs Community New Posts Updated Threads Search

Like Tree1Likes
  • 1 Post By stumpy

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old   May 19, 2013, 04:02
Default Transient-FSI, Density-based, compressible -very wierd behaviour, help
  #1
New Member
 
Marcin K
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 10
Rep Power: 13
Maurosso is on a distinguished road
Hello,

I'm having lots of difficulties with setting up a FSI case with system coupling and the density-based solver. Using the pressure based solver I get converged solutions quite fast, but my intent is to simulate pressure shock waves hitting and propagating from a structure.

The fluid is hydraulic oil, and it is modeled as compressible using a bulk modulus compressibility and speed of sound UDF. I'm also using a velocity type inlet governed by an UDF.

When I solve the case with the pressure based solver, i get converged solutions, and my structure indeed responds to the fluid in a expected manner, but I'm not getting the desired pressure-wave effects.

When I run the case with the density-based solver (be it implicit or explicit formulation), I do get the propagation of the pressure waves, but the data transfer seems to be broken somehow. My structure deformation is almost nonexistant (even thou the pressure difference is very similar to the PB solver), and what is even more shocking to me...it deforms in the opposing direction as it should...what the?

Above all that, when I tried to use the explicit DB solver with explicit time formulation, I received a warning that I can't use global time steping for incompressible flow, but my flow IS compressible...I've read through all of the documentation twice regarding System coupling, the solvers etc...and I just can't find any reason what this is happening.

tl;dr:

1. Why is the system coupling data transfers not functioning properly with the density based solver? I've tried changing the participants order, but to no effect.
2. How can one overcome the "You can't use global time stepping for incompressible flow" error, why does it even show up?. My flow, as stated before, is compressible.

3. If you'd have any experience in simulating pressure waves, could you lend me some tips? Am I on the right track? Am I missing something obvious?

Please help...
Maurosso is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   June 4, 2013, 11:59
Default
  #2
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 531
Rep Power: 21
stumpy is on a distinguished road
I can answer Q1. The force sign passed from Fluent to System Coupling is incorrectly reversed with the density based solver. To correct this, turn on beta features in Workbench then in System Coupling add the Expert Parameter DataTransfer_ScaleFactor_Force with a value of -1.
p36288 likes this.
stumpy is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   June 13, 2013, 14:39
Default
  #3
New Member
 
Marcin K
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 10
Rep Power: 13
Maurosso is on a distinguished road
thank you so much for your help, though it seem so awkward for such an obvious bug to pass through software testing
Maurosso is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Pressure based and Density based Solver Xobile Main CFD Forum 39 August 19, 2020 06:04
Regarding Density based solver Eswar Main CFD Forum 2 June 6, 2007 11:00
Density based compressible flow solution Ahmet Main CFD Forum 11 May 22, 2007 03:48
pressure and density based solvers sun Main CFD Forum 0 November 8, 2004 06:20
Density based codes? H.S.Muralidhara Main CFD Forum 3 May 28, 1999 06:29


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 17:52.