CFD Online Discussion Forums

CFD Online Discussion Forums (https://www.cfd-online.com/Forums/)
-   FLUENT (https://www.cfd-online.com/Forums/fluent/)
-   -   The problems of power number calculation in turbulent rushton turbine stirring tank (https://www.cfd-online.com/Forums/fluent/129404-problems-power-number-calculation-turbulent-rushton-turbine-stirring-tank.html)

Eakarach February 4, 2014 13:41

The problems of power number calculation in turbulent rushton turbine stirring tank
 
I try to simulate stirring tank with rushton turbine. The RNGKE model was selected to simulate the fluid flow in tank. The experimental power number is 0.65. However, the calculated power number is higher than experiment.

Can anyone help me to solve this problems?

Eakarach February 5, 2014 16:52

Can anyone help me?

jamalf64 February 5, 2014 18:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eakarach (Post 473638)
Can anyone help me?

Please write more details for example: MRF or sliding mesh, second order or first order, baffled or unbaffled tank, ...
How power number is greater than experimental data?

Eakarach February 9, 2014 05:50

The unbaffled tank with diameter of 0.19 m is simulated by MRF method. The second order upwind is adopted to estimate the face value. The experimental power number is 0.65, while the simulated power number is about 1.3. The top of the tank is a lid, which prevent the presence of vortex. The impeller is rushton turbine with diameter of 0.095 m. The rotating speed is 200 rpm.

jamalf64 February 9, 2014 06:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eakarach (Post 474106)
The unbaffled tank with diameter of 0.19 m is simulated by MRF method. The second order upwind is adopted to estimate the face value. The experimental power number is 0.65, while the simulated power number is about 1.3. The top of the tank is a lid, which prevent the presence of vortex. The impeller is rushton turbine with diameter of 0.095 m. The rotating speed is 200 rpm.

If trend of diagrams(for example axial velocity, radial velocity, tangential velocity vs radial coordinate) is acceptable, I think you must refine your mesh.

Eakarach February 9, 2014 08:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamalf64 (Post 474109)
If trend of diagrams(for example axial velocity, radial velocity, tangential velocity vs radial coordinate) is acceptable, I think you must refine your mesh.

I plot tangential velocity VS radial of tank. The comparison between experiment and simulation are difference with increasing the radius. The model was simulated with the mesh size of 1 mm all of domain.

Eakarach February 9, 2014 09:39

Moreover, I simulated this case with increasing the Swirl Factor of 0.11 (in RNG Options). The simulated tangential velocity and experiment were very similar but the simulated results doesn't smooth (Oscillation). The residual was also oscillation. The residual was higher (about 0.1) than the residual obtained by default Swirl Factor (0.07), (about 0.0001), which give the deviation of tangential velocity at the higher radius.

Can any one help me to solve this problems?

jamalf64 February 9, 2014 09:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eakarach (Post 474124)
Moreover, I simulated this case with increasing the Swirl Factor of 0.11 (in RNG Options). The simulated tangential velocity and experiment were very similar but the simulated results doesn't smooth (Oscillation). The residual was also oscillation. The residual was higher (about 0.1) than the residual obtained by default Swirl Factor (0.07), (about 0.0001), which give the deviation of tangential velocity at the higher radius.

Can any one help me to solve this problems?

Are you sure that the solution is converged? Do you monitor some parameters (for example area-weighted velocity magnitude in 2 plane: once above impeller and other below impeller)?
see this tutorial: "Modeling Turbulent Flow in a Mixing Tank"

Eakarach February 9, 2014 11:27

I do this step as reported in the tutorial. However, these monitors show oscillation. Can anyone suggest me about this problem?

jamalf64 February 9, 2014 11:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eakarach (Post 474131)
I do this step as reported in the tutorial. However, these monitors show oscillation. Can anyone suggest me about this problem?

Ok, change second order to first order, this cause to solution will be converge and monitors dont show oscillation.If in this step calculated data is wrong, change turbulence model.
I hope this help you
Be success
Jamal

Eakarach February 9, 2014 13:39

I'm try as your suggestion but the solution is wrong. However, do you have more suggestion.

Regards
B. Eakarach

Eakarach February 9, 2014 13:59

Dear Jamal Foroozesh

Please send me your email. Then, i will send my case file to you.

Thank in advance

jamalf64 February 9, 2014 14:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eakarach (Post 474143)
Dear Jamal Foroozesh

Please send me your email. Then, i will send my case file to you.

Thank in advance

Before sending your file try to this:
turbulence: k-e Realizable
impeller wall: moving wall, relative to adjacent cell zone, rotational, speed=0
active gravity
pressure: body force weighted
momentum , and turbulence equation: first order upwind

jeicek May 21, 2014 04:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eakarach (Post 473405)
I try to simulate stirring tank with rushton turbine. The RNGKE model was selected to simulate the fluid flow in tank. The experimental power number is 0.65. However, the calculated power number is higher than experiment.

Can anyone help me to solve this problems?

Hello

I am also simulation a CSTR using MRF in openFoam and I need to calculate power number. I do not know how to do this. can anyone help me and ginve an idea?
Thanks in advance

ghost82 May 21, 2014 10:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeicek (Post 493276)
Hello

I am also simulation a CSTR using MRF in openFoam and I need to calculate power number. I do not know how to do this. can anyone help me and ginve an idea?
Thanks in advance

Hi,
this is the fluent forum, you'd better to write in openfoam forum;
however power number Np is defined by:

Np=P/(N^3*Dt^5*rho)

P=Absorbed power (W)
N=Rotational speed in revolutions per second (rev/s)
Dt=Impeller diameter (m)
rho=Fluid density (kg/m3)

Absorbed power is calculated from simulation, other parameters are known.

Daniele

jeicek May 22, 2014 10:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghost82 (Post 493367)
Hi,
this is the fluent forum, you'd better to write in openfoam forum;
however power number Np is defined by:

Np=P/(N^3*Dt^5*rho)

P=Absorbed power (W)
N=Rotational speed in revolutions per second (rev/s)
Dt=Impeller diameter (m)
rho=Fluid density (kg/m3)

Absorbed power is calculated from simulation, other parameters are known.

Daniele

Thank you very much for reply Daniele. To be honest I wrote it but no aswer still also here is the thread I created
http://www.cfd-online.com/Forums/mai...rediction.html
but any way thank you very much


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:32.