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November 28, 2014, 11:30 
Resolved Reynolds Stresses in LES...??!

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Running 3D LES on FLUENT.
Clicked Data Sampling for Time Statistics options. Now I see Resolved UV,UW,VW Reynolds Stresses on export quantities. Q1. Why suddenly showing up after Time Statistics options?? Q2. Can I use this as the input for Acoustic Analogies?! Is it mean valued throughout the simulation?! Q3. Do I just square the resolved x velocity to get Resolved UU Reynolds Stress? Is this correct? Anyone experienced in dealing with Lighthill's Stress Tensor?? Last edited by ktgfeel; November 28, 2014 at 11:32. Reason: confusing title 

November 29, 2014, 02:46 

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The Reynolds stresses are timeaveraged quantities. Once you activate time statistics, many timeaveraged mean and rms quantities suddenly become available (such as mean velocity, rms velocities).
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Sorry I am not familiar with Lighthill's Stress Tensor. I am not sure why in the GUI the reynolds stresses are labeled with "Resolved". In the field variables they are not named that way but are simnply named UU UV and UW Reynolds stresses. Information on the meaning of "resolved" is somewhat obscure. 

December 22, 2014, 00:12 

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Thank you very much for your reply. I know understand more. but still haven't reached my goal.
Fluent doesn't have any option on Time Staticstics to have set the length of time to calculate. It only has option to set sampling intervals. However, what I am trying to get is somewhat like Instantaneous Reynolds Stress. I have moved on to LES calculating method because having Reynolds Stress Model converge was almost impossible. ( Reynolds Stress Model,i.e. RSM, does calculate Reynolds stresses right away). Q1. If I just multiply LES calculated(not rms) velocities, what would it mean?? Would it be something like instantaneous reynolds stresses?? Thank you again for your reply and careful explanation. 

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Fluent doesn't have any option on Time Staticstics to have set the length of time to calculate. It only has option to set sampling intervals. However, what I am trying to get is somewhat like Instantaneous Reynolds Stress. I have moved on to LES calculating method because having Reynolds Stress Model converge was almost impossible. ( Reynolds Stress Model,i.e. RSM, does calculate Reynolds stresses right away). Q1. If I just multiply LES calculated(not rms) velocities, what would it mean?? Would it be something like instantaneous reynolds stresses?? Thank you again for your reply and careful explanation. 

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Hi ktgfeel,
I know this is quite an old thread, I was just wondering if you or anybody else reading eventually got how the Resolved Reyonlds Stresses are calculated in Fluent when doing LES and collecting statistics. My idea is that, for instance, the resolved uv stress should be defined as: Resolved uv Reynolds stress = {u''v''} where {} indicates ensemble average over time and u''=[u]{[u]} v''=[v]{[v]} where [u] and [v] are the filtered (i.e. resolved) instantaneous velocity components, and {} again indicates time averaging. Cheers Andrea 

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I have created custom field functions for the variables defined in my previous post and I am matching the Resolved Reynolds Stressed reported by Fluent under Unsteady Statistics.
I guess this answers LuckyTran's question about the label "resolved", since the Reynolds stressed are calculated based on the resolved velocity field and the contribution coming from the subgrid scales is neglected. 

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May 22, 2017, 12:13 
How to calculate fluctuation velocity products/Reynolds stresses in LES

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u''=[u]{[u]} v''=[v]{[v]} w"= [w]{[w]} where [u], [v] and [w] are the filtered (i.e. resolved) instantaneous velocity components, and {} again indicates time averaging. I am able to define the products between the brackets u"u" and so on, but I am not sure how to performe the time averaging via Custom Field Functions. Any clue on this would be highly appreciated. 

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It's only doable with custom field functions unless you have v18. Before v18, custom field functions did not work in parallel (on serial) and you're probably not running LES on one core. Once you have defined the custom field functions, there is an option to also collect statistics for the timeaveraging. But again, Fluent already does all this for you and you don't need to do anything except to click a button to enable "data sampling for time statistics" The concerns mentioned above are that these are only the resolved parts of the Reynolds stresses based on filtered velocities. You need to then add the subgrid scale contribution. 

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I have already applied the sampling statistics and I already have some available data at unsteady statistics subwidnow, the problem is that the resolved reynolds stresses that appear in my fluent window are uv, uw, vw; but no more. I still need uu, vv and ww. On the other hand, how would you add the contribution of the SGS to the reynolds stresses? Finally, and this is out of topic, when I open my unsteady statistics window, I do not get to see RSM velocities, but RSME (Root Mean Square Error). Do you know why this could be? Yours, MarkelRF 

May 22, 2017, 20:05 

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The RMS of the fluctuating velocity RMS of u' is the RMSE of u. It is a common mistake and even early versions of fluent incorrectly labeled the velocities as RMS when the calculation was actually an RMSE calculation.
You can get the uu stress from the square of the RMSE of u The subgrid scale reynolds stresses are nontrivial, and for this you do need custom field functions or possibly udf's. The short answer is that you need to be familiar with the particular sgs model and use its definition (i.e. Boussinesq hypothesis). You'll need 6 functions, one for each Reynolds stress. 

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35.4. Alphabetical Listing of Field Variables and Their Definitions
In the Fluent User Guide 19.2 (p. 2497), it seems they mean to involve the SGS now. 

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