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srv537 November 7, 2016 08:29

Turbulent shear stress
 
i simulated turbulent flow in a channel, i created a custom field functions and after 4 flow through time i averaged and plot turbulent stress u'u', v'v' and u'v,

-u'u' =(2 / density) * viscosity-turb * (dx-velocity-dx) - (2 / 3) * turb-kinetic-energy

-v'v' = (2 / density) * viscosity-turb * (dy-velocity-dy) - (2 / 3) * turb-kinetic-energy

-u'v' = (1 / density) * viscosity-turb * ((dx-velocity-dy) + (dy-velocity-dx))

i used kw-sst model

but i am getting large error as compare to experiment result , please suggest me where is mistake.

thank you

Shamoon Jamshed November 9, 2016 01:01

What variable or parameter are you comparing with experiment

Shamoon Jamshed November 9, 2016 01:02

I am not satisfied with the velocity stress, since k-w k-epsilon, or SA or kw std or keps (standard) all are designed to model Reynolds stress, which otherwise are computed using RSM model. I think you will not get something right with intentionally computing u'v' yourself. and also if your are using custom field function , first you will need to compute kinetic energy as well.

srv537 November 9, 2016 01:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shamoon Jamshed (Post 624793)
I am not satisfied with the velocity stress, since k-w k-epsilon, or SA or kw std or keps (standard) all are designed to model Reynolds stress, which otherwise are computed using RSM model. I think you will not get something right with intentionally computing u'v' yourself. and also if your are using custom field function , first you will need to compute kinetic energy as well.



how can i compute u'v', is there any other method to calculate u'v', u'u' and v'v'.
please give me some detail

srv537 November 9, 2016 01:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shamoon Jamshed (Post 624792)
What variable or parameter are you comparing with experiment

i want to compare with experiment result of average turbulent stress u'u', v'v' and u'v'

Shamoon Jamshed November 9, 2016 01:21

Try to use RSM model, if your computational power allows, otherwise try to use the custom FF of Kinetic energy then compute u'v', but I do not think this will give you some answers with k-w or k-epsilon , just try to do it. But first try to use RSM

srv537 November 9, 2016 02:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shamoon Jamshed (Post 624796)
Try to use RSM model, if your computational power allows, otherwise try to use the custom FF of Kinetic energy then compute u'v', but I do not think this will give you some answers with k-w or k-epsilon , just try to do it. But first try to use RSM


actually in fluent there is kinetic energy as a variable is available can i use that in place of custom FF for kinetic energy? and if not then can you please tell me how can i create kinetic energy custom field function.

thank you

Shamoon Jamshed March 22, 2017 14:56

I think you should be able to use TKE=0.5*(mean(ux'ux')+mean(uy'uy')+mean(uz'uz'))


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