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January 1, 2021, 16:14 |
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Hi,
I am a senior university student. I'm trying to make an analysis about pem fuel cells, which is my graduation project location. I want to do a verification analysis for this but I was not successful. Can you help me with this? If there is, can you send a sample work? Thank you in advance for your advice and assistance. |
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January 2, 2021, 07:30 |
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My advice: You will have a better chance if you show your attempts. Show what you tried, show your results, and show what you expected. If there is a mistake, people can help you find it.
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January 2, 2021, 12:37 |
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isimsiz
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you are right, i couldn't think
My goal is to do a verification study with a reference study, but I haven't been successful yet. I'm uploading my own work, in which part I made a mistake. Can you help me? I couldn't upload it because the file size is too big. If you give me an e-mail address or I can send it to someone. |
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January 2, 2021, 15:56 |
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If you are trying to upload a cas-file: forget about it. Everybody is too busy to open your file.
Just use words. Type here. What did you calculate? What was the result? (show a picture or number). What did you expect? Keep it simple. For example: -I tried to calculate the heat transfer from liquid to solid. -the result in Fluent was 555 J/s. -i expected 35 J/s, because blabla. Don't overthink this, just start. We will ask questions if we need more info. |
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January 3, 2021, 08:16 |
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used in reference model
Anode and cathode humidification temperatures are both at 70°C. The operating pressures are 3 atm on both the anode and cathode sides and flow rates are 1200sccm on the anode side and 2200 sccm on the cathode side. I do not know much about where to use most of the given parameters. As a result of my analysis using the given parameters, I get incompatible results. I want to do a verification study with fuel cell on Fluent pemfc. Thank you in advance for your advice. referance model.jpg referance model result.jpg |
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January 3, 2021, 08:39 |
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What did you calculate? What was the result? (show a picture or number). What did you expect? All you say is that results are incompatible. Please be more helpful. I gave you an example already, just follow that example... |
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January 3, 2021, 17:09 |
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For example, when I analyze 0.95 open circuit voltage at 0.8 volts, I find the current density as 0.0418 A / cm ^ 2. According to the article, the result seems to be around 0.2. I shared the article results as a picture in the previous answer. the current density I found seems to be quite low compared to the real value. I'll tell you whatever else you need, please don't stop answering. Thank you in advance for your advice.
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January 3, 2021, 18:31 |
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if you have no idea about parameters in model, I recommend you to start with any other article, where ansys fluent had been used as a simulation tool.
You may find there all settings, and repeat simulation for instance https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7455082
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February 26, 2021, 05:10 |
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Hello,
I am new in Ansys and I am working with the PEMFC module [3] and I do not understand if it is imposed the case in the correct way so I will describe my steps. I made the geometry and mesh, using this article that I am using for validation: "https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0895717711006522". Following some videos on the internet I defined in mesh, for BCs, the external face of the current-collector anode and cathode (terminal-a and terminal-c), the inlet and outlet faces of the channels and the part in contact between the channels and the GDL (porous-jump). After that I started the setup and loaded the pemfc model [3], I activated the energy and the transport of the species (I left by default in options only "Diffusion energy source"). Then the steps I have done are as follows: -I have entered the data of the reference article, the various zones and the project area in the pemfc module. -In "Materials" I changed the electrical conductivity of the electrode (sigma catalyst = 100) and of the membrane (sigma_memb = 17.1223) -I entered the BCs for inlet (V_c_inlet = 2, V_a_inlet = 2, Thermal = 353.15 and water_saturation = 0), outlet (Backflow Reference Frame = Absolute and Gauge Pressure = 0), terminal-a (Thermal = 353.15 and electric_potential = 0) and terminal-c (Thermal = 353.15 and electric_potential = 0.6) -In "operating condition" the operating pressure of 300000 Pa. -In "methods" I left the default settings (Simple) -In "control" I decreased the values of "under-relaxation-factors of the species to 0.5 and energy to 0.6 and the rest by default and in" controls-advance " I considered all F-Cycle, AMG_method = Aggregative and Stabilization_method = BCGSTAB. -In "Run calculation" I enter the 600 interactions and do the simulation. The problem is that when I compare the O2 and H2 species with respect to the article I get different results and I don't understand why. It would seem that there is no consumption of the species. (I attach only the comparison image of H2). Can someone help me? [IMG][/IMG] [IMG][/IMG] |
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