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 October 14, 2004, 19:32 mass imbalance #1 ahourri Guest   Posts: n/a I have a very simple geometry:a rectangular configuration with walls everywhere and three windows. One window in the ground is set as mass flow rate, one in the ceiling is a pressure outlet and another one in the front wall as pressure inlet. I am modeling a very simple gas dispersion problem. My mass flow rate is 0.037 g/s of helium. In the first second I am guetting more helium gas in the interior volume than I should really have . Using the same configuration but with a larger mass flow rate : 3.7 g/s , i have everything correct , there is no mass imbalance. I should say that I have an incompressible flow at room temperature and pressure. Please help.

 October 15, 2004, 20:50 Re: mass imbalance #2 Lam Guest   Posts: n/a Is your model converged?

 October 15, 2004, 22:34 Re: mass imbalance #3 ahourri Guest   Posts: n/a yes it converged using the segregated solver with 2nd order discretization scheme. I even reduced the convergence criterion (up to 10e-5) for some parameters but the mass of the gas delivered is more than double what I should really get in 1 second. I worked on many flow problems using fluent , this never happed to me. If you have any idea, it will be greatly appreciated.

 October 16, 2004, 04:31 Re: mass imbalance #4 SAM Guest   Posts: n/a are u sure that ur physical model is correct

 October 16, 2004, 15:11 Re: mass imbalance #5 ahourri Guest   Posts: n/a well, I tried laminar (i have very low reynold number) and RNG-ke . Both gave similar results. What I noticed however is the results are very dependant on the pressure inlet/outlet I have. If I have 0 pressure on both pressure inlet/outlet, huge mass imbalance occurs. If I put some values on these inlet/outlet the result is different but still some imbalance occurs when the convergence is obtained.

 October 16, 2004, 15:22 Re: mass imbalance #6 SAM Guest   Posts: n/a r u using some well posed problem or just trying to see the solution behaviro in fluent . do u have some analytical or exerimental results

 October 16, 2004, 16:48 Re: mass imbalance #7 ahourri Guest   Posts: n/a Thank you for trying to help. It is a validation problem and I have some experimental results.

 October 21, 2004, 10:45 Re: mass imbalance #8 WX Guest   Posts: n/a Check flow direction at the outlets or openings. I did have a case in which the mass flux report was not correct. I modelled a flow domain without inlet and outlet, the flow was driven by a fan. I found at an opening, the flux report gave a different direction from the flow vectors.

 October 26, 2004, 23:14 Re: mass imbalance #9 ahourri Guest   Posts: n/a tanx a lot WX. You gave me I hint. I usaully set the direction of the flow as being NORMAL TO THE BOUNDARY, which I changed now by specifying the direction vector (x=0, y=1, z=0) in my case. And Eureka, everything works well. Thanks again.

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