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han December 9, 2005 04:36

simulation or modeling of mans mind
Hi Friends, I may be fool to ask this question.. but any way i am asking.. our mind a such a fluctuating thing, even more and more random than our classical turbulence flows.. my doubt is, during active stage(i mean day time) we will be knowing how our mind is working and fluctuating, will it be the same during sleeping mode? i am doing research on turbulence modeling. i am seriously thinking of modeling our active mind and passive mind? for modeling this,, how to foumulate the problems to simulate this, my opinion is if we could able to model this ,, we can give solution to somany chronic diseases.. please let me know ur views,, i am sorry if i am speaking some thing rubbish...

diaw December 9, 2005 05:41

Re: simulation or modeling of mans mind
The underlying essence is 'waves'... in your case... 'brainwaves'... :)

Ben December 9, 2005 12:10

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I would thought that modelling a womans mind would be more interesting seeing as it is in a constant state of chaotic flux..... :p

Angen December 9, 2005 13:22

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It looks like there is a research in this area going on for years. Recently, I run into an article on quantum theory of human brain. If I remember well it was in Phys. Rev. Lett. but I do not know details. If you search last few years of this journal you may find some articles.


Mani December 9, 2005 17:42

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"how to formulate the problem" is the key question. Since you're familiar with turbulence, you know that the equations that describe turbulent fluid flow have been known for a long time.

What system of equations would you consider for the human brain? This system seems infinitely more complex than simple fluid flow. Essentially, you'd have to understand the underlying mechanisms of our neural network and its interaction with the environment (energy supply, sensory information exchange, boundary conditions...), preferably from first principles. I am sure there has been a lot of bio-medical (bio-physics) research on that but I venture the guess that we are not even close to understanding the fundamental behavior of our brain well enough to build a reasonable model.

Think of fluid flow, instead: The (approximate) equations are known but we still can't put a finger on understanding even the most basic turbulence. Modeling attempts have been modestly successful. I would suggest we finish that problem first (over the weekend) and that might give us some idea of how to approach the far more complex human brain. ;)

Richard December 10, 2005 08:06

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Actually, man's mind would be easier to simulate as all one would have to do is model the oscillation between the various states of arousal of his willie as men truly do have a "one track mind". Popping woodies are some of the closest physiologic reactions to pure fluid flow principles that you are going to find in the male body, so this topic should have great popularity to the regular viewers of this website.

Angen December 12, 2005 13:20

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Certainly we will not be able to create the "General Theory of Everything" (quotation from Stanislaw Lem, author of Solaris). Still we can solve a few practical problems

1.Why is the blood flow to brain constant regardless of blood pressure and cardiac output? 2.How to model blood flow in brain vessels with aneurysm? 3.Why the brain remains mostly undamaged even though it can get heavyweight punches?

These will take us little more than one weekend. So for a weekend I would recommend reading Solaris (definitely book and not a recent Hollywood movie; it's about mind and fluids) especially as the turbulence is completely irrelevant to brain fluid mechanics.


Jim_Park December 14, 2005 16:17

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Take a look at

Or put into your web brower, then put 'brain simulation' into the search box on that page.

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