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December 19, 2005, 11:25 
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December 19, 2005, 12:19 
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Hello Andrew,
I am a very Beginner, so my answer might be very wrong. As far as I understand your flow setup, the result depends on how you create the flow. I did some similar calc with a penalty approach, and these were my observations, which match the analytic results, and "reality": 1.) If flow is caused by gravity, you should get a uniform (in flow direction) and parabolic velocity distribution. 2.) If flow is caused by a velocity boundary condition, (maybe you have set velocities to a value at inflow) then you should notice a development of the distribution in flow direction, and after some lenght there should be a parabolic distribution. I hope this answer is correct so far. I can't help you about the symmetry as I never implemented it, but usually a velocity symmetry is setting the velocity derivate to zero. So if flow is u in xdirection, symmetry is : dv/dy=0 

December 19, 2005, 12:25 
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my flow is created with an intial uniform velocity in the xdir. The Re=100. What I meant by 'the same' was a halfparabolic curve  since I have a symmetry line (with Umax in the xdir located at the symmetry line) at each of the columns in the resulting solution matrix being the same parabola or should I see a development of the parabola. Your second answer is what I was looking for. I am doing steadystate, so I wasn't sure if I should see a development of the parabola or a final parabola and no development. thanks


December 19, 2005, 21:41 
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The shape of the velocity profile will change from the inlet 'shape' to the flowgoverned final shape eg. parabolic (if laminar flow). The shape development will depend on the shape of the inlet velocity profile.
eg. if a linear inlet profile, then this will gradually change to the parabolictype shape. If inlet profile is already parabolic, then the shape changes will be slightly different  but should still end up parabolic. The final profile will be governed by the plate b/c's, fluid properties & entry massflow. Don't be to quick to impose symmetry on the solution  model the whole flow domain & let the physics work itself out. I hope that this helps. diaw... 

December 19, 2005, 22:40 
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I am having trouble getting my inlet velocity to translate through the flow field. I am using the streamfunctionvelocity equations. My BC's are at the y=h; Ux=Uy=0, and Psi=0. At the exit Uy=Uy(evaluated at the node before it), as is Ux and Psi, since I am assuming fully developed flow at the exit. At the entrance Uy=0, Ux=Uin(uniform flowfield), the streamfunction I wasn't too sure about, but I integrated d(Psi)= Uxdy to get a value of the streamfunction, but I had to disregard the constant of integration. (Psi = Ux(deltaY)), and along the symmetry line, Psi = 0, Ux= 2*Psi (evaluated at one grid point above the symmetry line)/2*dy, Uy=0. I am using an 8 point finiteelement method, but I immediately lose my inlet velocity at the first node, and the centerline velocity never develops in a positive manner.
Any suggestions would be great. thanks 

December 19, 2005, 23:08 
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Andrew, I'm looking through one of my text books at a similar problem to yours for Streamfunction (Ideal flow):
B/C's: @ y=0 => Psi=0 @ y=h => Psi = U*h !!! @ x=0 => Psi = U*y @ x=L => nothing specified The y=0 boundary is a symmetry boundary. I hope that helps you on your way. diaw... 

December 20, 2005, 03:36 
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This looks like the trouble I had with my first try (few days ago), though I used a different approach (viscous flow without inertia)
I got rid of it by reducing to "very simple", so I could check each step by hand. First of all I would recommend to throw out the symmetry, and bring it back when the rest of the calc preforms well. I used linear (3node) triangles on a rectangular 10x10 node grid, b.c. about the same as yours. You should be able to solve this problem for low Reynolds by hand (laminar flow) with usual analytic formulas (just simplify and integrate the xmomentumconservation, integration constans is where your b.c. come in). Try setting gravity instead of velocity, then you should get a constant velocity distribution along lenght. If not, you know that there is an error in the code. I experienced a huge loss of velocity and continuity (as I understand your problem) if the inflow velocity near the wallnodes were too high. 

December 20, 2005, 09:26 
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Diaw,
Is that 'y' @ x=0 the distance from symmetry line for each node? thanks 

December 20, 2005, 12:16 
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that BC at x=0 is sort of odd. Especially given that the BC at y=h for Psi is Psi=U*h. It seems that @x=o it would be Psi=U*(distance from h)especially with the no slip BC at the wall. Does that make sense?


December 20, 2005, 12:25 
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B/C's: @ y=0 => Psi=0 @ y=h => Psi = U*h !!! @ x=0 => Psi = U*y @ x=L => nothing specified
The y=0 boundary is a symmetry boundary.  Sorry, the text became strung together once the message was posted. Symmetry boundary (pipe centrline): @ y=0 => Psi=0 Top boundary: @ y=h => Psi = U*h !!! Inlet boundary (left) : @ x=0 => Psi = U*y (linear) Outlet boundary : @ x=L => nothing specified Hopefully that prints out better. diaw... 

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