Finite Element vs. Finite Volume Codes
 

Can anybody explain to me the difference between finite element and finite volume CFD codes? Which one is preferable for what type of problems? Thanks.

Re: Finite Element vs. Finite Volume Codes
 

Most CFD people use the finite volume because of it's stability over the finite element.

Re: Finite Element vs. Finite Volume Codes
 

I have found that the FEM showcases the underlying physics in a superior way to FVM, which tends to, by its cell-averaging design, damp certain physical phenomena.

The nodal interconnectivity of FEM gives useful inter-node information.

I understand that there is information in the Wiki on the FVM - FEM comparison.

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Re: Finite Element vs. Finite Volume Codes
 

on Wiki on the FVM - FEM comparison is still not written, i wished to add but i do not understant much of FEM, so left it for people who excel in FEM.

Re: Finite Element vs. Finite Volume Codes
 

FEM is normaly apllied to structurall analysis, because the code calculates a length expansion, and out of this it calculates the stress as the first derivation of the length. To be able to do this the FEM-Cell must have at least a linear weight function, which means there are two points discribing a line (e.g. in 3D 8 nodes per hexaeder-cell). The fist derivation of it is a constant function. When you have for e.g. a 1D problem, you would get a piecewise (per dx-interval) constant stairways shape of the stress, which is not really accurate. So you better choose a quadratic weight function (means in 1D there are 3 points defining a quadratic funtion), to get a linear stress in the dx-intervall. For a first shot many peaple using the linear cells in combination with a higher mesh resolution.

In CFD there is no need to calculate a first derivation of a value. Because of this a constant weight function is sufficient (FV-Methode, only 1 node per cell). You can increase the result accuracy by using FE-Methods, but is has a great overhead, which let dramatically decrease the speed of the solution progress. To manage at least 8 nodes per cell (linear wight function) instead of only 1 node per cell leads to a extrem memory requirement.

Conclusion: In Structural analysis you don't have a choice, you have to use at least a linear cell, because of the first derivation of the length. But in CFD, (especially for large meshes and in transient calculations) FEM-Methods are not really practicable, in these days (!).

By the way; when using more and smaller cells in general, the needed geometrical accuracy given by the modell-walls (especially in CFD) is much higher.

Hope this helps Hubert Janocha

Re: Finite Element vs. Finite Volume Codes
 

Thanks for all your replies. Some CFD packages that use FEM approach, present it as part of the natural evolution of things. Now I have a better idea.

Re: Finite Element vs. Finite Volume Codes
 

For fluids, FEM will provide intricate flow details that FVM would be hard-pressed to do. The interconnectivity between nodes is precisely why FEM does such a good job. I think of FVM as a glorified form of FDM - a net of point samplings taken over the flow domain.

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Finite elemnent and finite volume
 

Finite volume codes are easy to write. Writing a finite element code is laborious and it takes much time.

Re: Finite elemnent and finite volume
 

1)Finite Element basically works on Weighted residual method and Finite Volume works bascially on Conservation priniciples.

2)In FEM nodal connectivity is important to get solution if u r not able to make so it will take as freeedge in solution domain. But in FVM nodal connectivity is not mandatory but face connectivity is must since flux b/t cell face has to conserve.

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Alex

Re: Finite elemnent and finite volume
 

>>>1)Finite Element basically works on Weighted residual method and Finite Volume works bascially on Conservation priniciples.

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FVM is also a Weighted Residual method... with constant weighting (ref Patankar - p30)

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