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October 29, 2012, 14:37 |
LES, FSI, CFX, Yplus, VIV ... and problem!
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Pouya
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Hi dear cfd-online members!
I'm doing an FSI problem using Ansys CFX. I want to study vortex induced vibration (VIV) of a riser model. The riser model has a length of 9.63 m & a diameter of 0.02m (L/D=482). The velocity of incident current and Reynolds number are 0.84 m/s and 18737 respectively. I want to use LES turbulence model and Yplus should be below 1. It seems that I have to use too fine elements! I've made a mesh. In this case the areaAve value of Yplus is 119.071. And according to formulas of "boundary layer thickness" and "Near Wall Spacing", extracted from "ANSYS CFX-Solver Modeling Guide", I have to use elements of order 0.0000185 m. This means a huge number of elements just in the boundary layer!!! This is while I have a rather big domain. I think something is wrong with it. Could you please please please help me solve this problem?!!! |
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October 29, 2012, 14:42 |
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Filippo Maria Denaro
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why are you surprised of the required number of elements? you need to solve the BL so at least 3 - 4 cells must be within y+<1. You can have a dx+ and dz+ of order 30 - 40 for LES.
Note that LES is a formulation of the governing equations, not a turbulent model.... |
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October 29, 2012, 18:30 |
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Alex
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Yes, wall-resolving LES are computationally expensive.
You may want to drop the block structured mesh you are currently using. This enables you to resolve the wall-normal direction better than the other directions, like FMDenaro said. But I would say that X+ and Z+ of 40 seems a bit high. Fröhlich (the only good german book about LES) for example recommends values around 5 for the stream- and cross-streamwise direction. Additionally, you might encounter some difficulties when a non-conformal mesh interface lies directly downstream of your obstacle. |
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October 30, 2012, 11:31 |
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Pouya
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Thanks for your answers. So using LES will impose high CPU demands. What if I just want to study the vibrations (to get the Frequency or amplitude of the vibrations)? Should I solve for the boundary layer?
What about SAS-SST or DES or other models? I really appreciate your help. |
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October 30, 2012, 13:04 |
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Pouya
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& one more question! Maybe it sounds crazy, but I want to know if it is possible to use a few layers in spanwise direction (and do a 2D study for each layer!). I know we can't call it a full 3D study, but it could reduce the computational expense.
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October 30, 2012, 13:12 |
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Vieri Abolaffio
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no, you won't get VIV from this. the results depend on the length of the object and there are 3d interactions that you won't capture. also, you need at least a u+ and z+ values around 50-100 top in LES, as FMdenaro said in an earlier post.
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