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 ZubenUbi March 16, 2006 12:49

vortex length scale

hello,

Does anybody knows how to calculate an average length scale of a vortex flow.

I mean, if you look at a flow behind a cylinder at low Reynolds number, you find an alley of vortices. Using a ruler, it is really easy to measure their radius. But how should I do if I can not or don't want to use a plan cutter ?

Of course, if the center of the vortex is known then the radius can be computed from velocity spatial cross correlation. But how should I do if I don't know where the center is ?

ZubenUbi

 kangluyang January 19, 2014 08:28

I have come across the same question, based on my calculation results, the velocity in the end of vortex is the lowest, so the distance between the two lowest velocity is vortex length, but do you have some reference papers for this method?

 FMDenaro January 19, 2014 08:45

but the first issue is: how do you detect a vortex? Many methods can be used and can produce different results...

 kangluyang January 19, 2014 08:51

Quote:
 Originally Posted by FMDenaro (Post 470724) but the first issue is: how do you detect a vortex? Many methods can be used and can produce different results...
I have gained the friction velocities around the gable roof. According to the streamline and the results of velocities, i think the vortex end velocity is the lowest, so the length between the two lowest velocities is the length of a vortex, but is there some reference for this method?

 Joachim January 19, 2014 14:22

Hey!

You could use the vortex detection scheme of Graftieaux I guess.

Graftieaux, L., Michard, M., and Grosjean, N., \Combining PIV, POD and Vortex Identi cation Algorithms for the Study of Unsteady Turbulent Swirling Flows," Measurement Science and Technology, Vol. 12, No. 9, August 2001, pp. 1422-1429.

Good luck!

Joachim

 kangluyang January 19, 2014 22:59

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Joachim (Post 470759) Hey! You could use the vortex detection scheme of Graftieaux I guess. Graftieaux, L., Michard, M., and Grosjean, N., \Combining PIV, POD and Vortex Identi cation Algorithms for the Study of Unsteady Turbulent Swirling Flows," Measurement Science and Technology, Vol. 12, No. 9, August 2001, pp. 1422-1429. Good luck! Joachim

Thank you! I have read this paper in the morning, it really helps about the concept of vortex length and center.
However, it does not solve my problem. I have gained the RANS results of a flow field by CFD, then I want to estimate the time averaged mean eddy length in an easy way without fluctuating velocities. The main purpose for me is to determine the influence length of a separation bubble on the wall.

 kangluyang January 20, 2014 02:23

Thank you! I have read this paper in the morning, it really helps about the concept of vortex length and center.
However, it does not solve my problem. I have gained the RANS results of a flow field by CFD, then I want to estimate the time averaged mean eddy length in an easy way without fluctuating velocities. The main purpose for me is to determine the influence length of a separation bubble on the roof.
Kang Luyang

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